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Post  pinhedz on Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:16 pm

John Lennon said "I don't believe in Zimmerman!" Razz 

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Post  Alouette on Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:06 pm

heard recently, song inspired BD

Never heard this before and was actually kinda surprised.
think I read Clayton borrowed for this one too.

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  felix on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:05 am

From the wikipedia entry for Clayton:

Alleged plagiarism by Bob Dylan

Bob Dylan's friendship with Clayton dated back to 1961, Dylan's first year in New York City. Dylan traveled cross-country with Clayton and two other friends in 1963, during which they visited poet Carl Sandburg in North Carolina, attended Mardi Gras in New Orleans and rendezvoused with Joan Baez in California.
In an interview published as part of a history of Greenwich Village folk club Gerde's Folk City, folksinger Barry Kornfeld described how Clayton's "Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons (When I'm Gone)" morphed into Dylan's "Don't Think Twice":
"I was with Paul one day, and Dylan wanders by and says, 'Hey, man, that's a great song. I'm going to use that song.' And he wrote a far better song, a much more interesting song - 'Don't Think Twice, It's All Right'."
Dylan's and Clayton's publishing companies sued each other over the alleged plagiarism. As it turned out, Clayton's song was derived from an earlier folksong entitled "Who's Gonna Buy You Chickens When I'm Gone?", which was in the public domain. The lawsuits, which were settled out of court, had no effect on the friendship between the two songwriters.
In the notes to Biograph (album) (1985), Dylan acknowledges that "'Don't Think Twice' was a riff that Paul [Clayton] had." He also credits Clayton for the melody line to "Percy's Song".


You might want to read the following blog entry, though, which questions Clayton's claim to have 'borrowed' his song from an earlier folk song:

http://elmergantry.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/dont-think-twice-revisited/

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Post  Alouette on Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:26 pm

thanks for link & history felix
Bob did improve on the ribbons or chicken lyrics anyhow

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  pinhedz on Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:12 pm

In the Movie, Paul Clayton is played by Justin Timberlake.  


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Post  Alouette on Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:37 pm

Good morning pinhedz
Did you see 'inside llewyn davis' ?
I didn't and am wondering if is worth checking out.

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:50 am

^
The appeal is mostly in the evocation of the Greenwich-Village '60s-folk-scare scene, which is enough for some of us.  

The lead character mostly keeps shooting himself in the foot (which is not unusual in the Cohen Brothers' world). 

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  Alouette on Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:54 pm

Don't think I could find anyone who would go see llewyn davis with me.
Main squeeze only likes Elvis Presley & and Grand funk railroad.



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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  felix on Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:04 am

Only Elvis would be OK; only Elvis & GFR? Nooooo! Dump 'im fast. This advice is free.  pirat I love you No Suspect 

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:46 am

Elvis and Jack Teagarden would be good.  

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  felix on Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:24 pm

pinhedz wrote:Elvis and Jack Teagarden would be good.  
True. cat 


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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  Alouette on Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:53 pm

felix wrote:Only Elvis would be OK; only Elvis & GFR?  Nooooo!  Dump 'im fast.  This advice is free.  pirat I love you No Suspect 


Elvis is ok
Grand Funk Railroad a problem

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  Alouette on Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:52 am



'There is another narrative, however, and it's that Dylan is not just the first and greatest intentional rock 'n' roll poet.

He's also the first great rock 'n' roll a**h***'


http://www.esquire.com/features/who-is-this-bob-dylan-interview-0214

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Post  blue moon on Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:11 am

That's interesting.
I witnessed an entire backstage and side-of-stage area ordered cleared before he entered the venue, and the roadies and sound crew said they were advised to avert their eyes.

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  Alouette on Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:55 pm

Confession:
My opinion of Bob Dylan's work is changing.
Lately for me, his music is not all that pleasant to listen to.
And I've been a big fan for years.
I was at five BD concerts in the past 1 & 1/2 yr.

I have a pretty big Dylan collection, but lately am only playing a CD when I'm trying to make someone go.

Is Bob Dylan the most financially successful, overrated, untalented, sell out that ever lived ?
Or maybe I'm going through a stage of Dylan fandom ?

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  pinhedz on Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:32 am

Many people are afraid to charge into show biz without knowing what they're doing, but Bob never had that problem. Razz 

Sometimes beginner's luck and chutzpah trump training and hard work (other folkies did everything better than Bob, but they never got rich).

In the '60s so many great elements came together by accident--Bob's beginner's luck, Mike Bloomfield at his best, and Al Cooper (also not knowing what he was doing) sneaking into the recording session--and someone had left the organ turned on.
The way it came out had to be an accident--no one could have made what happened on purpose.  

And it won't happen again for bob--pretty sure about that.

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Post  felix on Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:01 am

Alouette wrote:Confession:
My opinion of Bob Dylan's work is changing.
Lately for me, his music is not all that pleasant to listen to.
And I've been a big fan for years.
I was at five BD concerts in the past 1 & 1/2 yr.

I have a pretty big Dylan collection, but lately am only playing a CD when I'm trying to make someone go.

Is Bob Dylan the most financially successful, overrated, untalented, sell out that ever lived ?
Or maybe I'm going through a stage of Dylan fandom ?

Vairry interresting!

Is this all of Bobby's work? Or just some of it? And if just some, which some?

Hmmmm.... Suspect 

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  Alouette on Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:06 am

felix wrote:Vairry interresting!

Is this all of Bobby's work?  Or just some of it?  And if just some, which some?

Hmmmm.... Suspect 

Mostly Bob's later albums.
When he started ripping off Jimmy Durante

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  pinhedz on Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:26 pm

If Bob had signed with Folkways or Elektra, he'd have been forgotten by the late '60s.
But he was not authentic enough for Folkways, and not good enough for Elektra, so he had to sign with Columbia

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  pinhedz on Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:29 pm

It was ridiculous the way people accused Bob of selling out later Rolling Eyes ; since he started out with Columbia, there was nowhere to sell out to.

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  Alouette on Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:52 pm

good point ^
many fans upset about super bowl ad.
What is up with all the outrage?
Bob's been consistent regarding $$.

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Post  felix on Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:18 am

^ This. Some folks just love to be outraged!

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Re: The Bob Dylan Depreciation Thread

Post  pinhedz on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:41 am

felix wrote:Some folks just love to be outraged!

 Shocked Mad      

There--I feel much better now.

 

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Post  Alouette on Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:01 am



Bob is copying someone again

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