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Can white men play jazz?

Post  pinhedz on Fri May 13, 2011 3:33 pm

= ANDY =

As is the case with quite some other genres, I would say that the hard-core quality of jazz belong entirely to the coloured race.
There is no way anyone could come up with a list of names to rival Louis Armstrong, Duke Elington, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, Billie Holliday, Ella Fitzgerald, Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Parker, ... to name just a handfull of the most obvious ones.

The only people I could think of right now are Stan Getz, Chet Baker & Toots Thielemans.

But then again, if Jazz were the Bible, I'd still have to get to the part where God creates the Heavens and the Earth.


pinhedz

What color was Barney Bigard?




pinhedz

My favorite white men are Bix Beiderbecke, Jack Teagarden, Pee Wee Russell and Django Reindardt.

But some of those are whiter than others.


= ANDY =

Any recommended records?
Expect for Django, I don't think I know any of these guys :s


pinhedz

I forgot Bunny Berigan:



If you like this one, there's lot's more:



There are lots of Bix Beiderbecke compilations, but he died young and his entire output fits on 4 CDs, and it's cheap:



Be sure to get this one, too:




Hosni

Keith Jarrett- mostly Hungarian and Irish.
Chick Corea - Italian and Spanish
John McLaughlin
Gil Evans
Bunny Berigan
Benny Goodman
Bud Freeman
Artie Shaw
John Zorn
Ellery Eskelin
Bill Frisell
Jaco Pastorius
Harry James
Dick Hyman

to name a few


Subject: Re: Can white men play jazz? Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:06 am
Keith Jarrett- mostly Hungarian and Irish.
Chick Corea - Italian and Spanish
John McLaughlin
Gil Evans
Bunny Berigan
Benny Goodman
Bud Freeman
Artie Shaw
John Zorn
Ellery Eskelin
Bill Frisell
Jaco Pastorius
Harry James
Dick Hyman

to name a few

"A groundbreaking history documents the rich collaboration between black and white players in the early decades of jazz."

http://www.riverwalkjazz.org/site/News2?abbr=home_&page=NewsArticle&id=5190


pinhedz

They were all mixed up together. You can’t really separate them. You can’t even tell who was black and who was white.

Before Louis Armstrong had his own band he played with these guys--what color are they? (answer: they were all supposedly black).







Back in the old days, whites and blacks couldn’t play together in the same band, so Jimmy Durante assembled this all-white band in 1918:



Duke Ellington assembled an all-black band in the 1920s--including Barney Bigard and Juan Tizol, both of whom had to blacken up their faces on some occasions to keep from looking white:



Some of the earliest jazz combos to record had names like “The Black Aces” and “The Ethiopian 5.” Musta been black bands, right? Nope--they lied.

In the late 20’s King Oliver recorded with a group called “Blind Willie Dunn and the Gin-Bottle 4.” There were 5 of them--3 black and 2 white.

So, how are we gonna decide which race is superior if we can’t even tell them apart? bounce


pinhedz

Another point about this one--look at the side men:



Rex Stewart, Ben Webster, Dicky Wells, James P. Johnson, and Zutty Singleton were all black;

Max Kaminsky and Dave Tough were white;

Barney Bigard was a really, really light New Orleans Creole.


Goat Smith

Woody Allen


pinhedz

Woody Allen and I play alot of the same tunes, but his style is a little different from Svetlana's. I thought I might find him playing this on Youtube, but I had to settle for Ziggy Elman (read those comments--the Russian's all saying it's a Russian song, and the Jews insisting it's a Yiddish song):



The Russians do it more like this:




pinhedz

The person who put "Bublitchki" on youtube added the most detailed description I've ever seen on youtube:

"Bublitchki Bagelach ...Russian yiddish song
in the famous recordings by the great yiddish-american trumpet player ZIGGY ELMAN
recorded in 1938 under Ziggy Elman and his
Orchestra, as well as the classic 1950s
yiddish vocal recording by The BARRY SISTERS.
Images of the famous Moscow Metro (subway
underground) and its palatial stations, built in the mid 1930s onwards.

0:01-1:15 Ziggy Elman , trumpet solo
1:16-3:08 The Barry Sisters, yiddish vocal
3:09-4:15 Ziggy Elman and Orchestra ( reed section)
4:16-6:18 The Barry Sisters, yiddish vocal
6:19-7:46 Ziggy Elman, trumpet solo

ZIGGY ELMAN
b. May 26, 1914, Philadelphia, PA, USA. d. June 26, 1968 Van Nuys, CA, USA.
né: Harry Finkelman
Theme: "And The Angels Sing" (MGM 10047) (also on a Bluebird record that isn't Elman's band)(BUBLITCHKI Bluebird label
B-10103-A)
Referring to this Bluebird recording, a site visitor has advised: "Actually this is the original recording of "And The Angels Sing" before it had lyrics. It was then known as "Fralach In Swing" and it is this title which appears on early pressings. Later ones use "And The Angels Sing". The musicians are all from the Benny Goodman band of the period as was Ziggy Elman himself and include the complete reed section and Jess Stacy at the piano."
In December 1938, Elman was invited to start making some recordings which would be released as "Ziggy Elman and His Orchestra," but, in truth, his musicians
were actually all members of the Goodman band.
ZIGGY ELMAN's
talent, youthful exuberance and brashness came to the fore when Benny allowed him to interpolate Yiddish "Fralich-er" (Yiddish for 'happy-like') phraseology into his solos. The public simply adored this. Probably the best known example of Ziggy's style is Benny's recording of "And The Angels Sing" - as popular today as when it was first 'laid down on wax'.

While with Goodman he recorded 20 sides for the Bluebird label. Although the labels indicate "Ziggy Elman and His Orchestra" these records actually have Elman leading a band made up of members of Goodman's orchestra.
How popular was Ziggy? He won the Downbeat Magazine's Poll for Best Trumpet in 1940 and '41, 1943 through 1945 and again in 1947. Many people thought Ziggy to be the world's greatest trumpet player

Yiddish lyrics

Bublichki,
Koyft mayne beygelecht,
Heysinke bublichki,
Hu,koyft...

Es kumt bald on di nakht,
Ich shtey zikh tif fartrakht,
Zet,mayn eygelecht
Zaynen farshvarst.
Der frost indroysn brent,
Farfroyrn mayne hent,
Fer tzores zing ikh mir
Mayn troy'rik lid.

Nu,koyft zhe bublichki,
Heysinke beygelekht,
Di letste beygelekht,
Nu koyft bay mir...
Ikh shtey aleyn in gas,
Fun regn ver ikh nas,
Di letste beygelekht,
Nu koyft bay mir...

Di nakht es geyt farbay,
Der tog rukt on afsnay,
Ikh shtey in gas un trakht,
Vos vet dokh zayn?
Der veytik iz in hoyz,
Fun hunger gey ikh oys,
Oy menshn,hert mayn lid,
Fun hunger shvakh.

TRANSLATION

BAGELS! HOT BAGELS!

Come-and-get my bagels
Hot bagels, hot rolls
It's almost night now
Here I stand deep in thought
See, how dark my eyes are!

It's freezing out here
My hands are frozen stiff
This sad song comes out of
My desperate troubles!

So! Come-and-get my bagels!
Hot bagels! Hot rolls!
My last few bagels
So! Come-and-buy my bagels!

Here I stand all-alone in the street
Soaked through by the rain
So! Come-and-buy my bagels
Night has fallen. There's no light left.

Here I stand thinking
What's gonna be?
There's nothing but pain at home
I'm so hungry, I'm about to faint

Dear folks, hear my song
I'm so hungry I'm about to faint
So! Come-and-buy my bagels
My last few bagels!

The Barry Sisters די שװעסטער באַרי
Bublitchki [בובליטשקי (בײגעלעך)‏] (‎‎3:45)
Bublichki Бублички
the Barry Sisters די שװעסטער באַרי
Bublitchki [בובליטשקי (בײגעלעך)‏


Bublitchki: song
""Bublichki" (Bagels) is a Jewish song from the 1920s Odessa.
The city became the home of a large Jewish community during the 19th century, and by 1897 Jews were estimated to comprise some 37% of the population....
In 1920s Odessa was still the Yiddish capital of Russia. In Russia the town is famous for its sense of humour and Jewish accent ".
Bublitchki Bublichki Yiddish jewish Russia trumpet Moscow Metro Московский метрополитен
Сёстры Бэрри
древнееврейско
еврейско
Москва Russland Россия
Еврей Bublitschki
купите бублички, горячи бублички, гоните рублички..."


Goat Smith

Dear folks, hear my song
I'm so hungry I'm about to faint
So! Come-and-buy my bagels
My last few bagels!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

pinhedz

St.Time wrote:I'm so hungry I'm about to faint
So! Come-and-buy my bagels
My last few bagels!
You have to remember that this is a line of bull pitched by a street peddler in Odessa. She's probably pleasingly plump, and wouldn't know how to tell the truth if ever the truth was called for.

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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  pinhedz on Fri May 13, 2011 3:44 pm


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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  pinhedz on Fri May 13, 2011 3:45 pm


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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  Lee Van Queef on Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:13 am

I bet Woody Harrelson's pretty handy on the sax.

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:40 am

Woody is more of a beat poet:


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Post  pinhedz on Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:21 am

Eddie Lang changed his name to "Blind Willie Dunn" so he could pass for black:


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Re: Can white men play jazz?

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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  pinhedz on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:00 pm

Dave Brubeck was, for some reason, originally named (probably by his parents) "Paul Emil Breitenfeld."

The dignitaries pictured above (on the far side of the piano) went by the names of Joe Morello, Paul Desmond, and Eugene Wright.

I believe they played together from about 1958 until at least 1963, or so.

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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  pinhedz on Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:28 am

Goat Smith wrote:Woody Allen
Woody doesn't break any new ground, but he does credible dixieland retro jazz:


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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  Yakima Canutt on Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:54 pm




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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  pinhedz on Tue May 08, 2012 10:22 am

Uzi seems to be comparing David Sanborn to a cockroach, or possibly a sow bug.

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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:20 pm

Sanborn is the orange, man, dont yoo get it

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Re: Can white men play jazz?

Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:25 pm

kwestion: wot is whiter than white jazzz?
answer: HOLOJAZZ


life sux a bit but at least we're not in the Gamma Quadrant am i rite

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