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One of the major benefits? of the printing press was that it gave some system and order to spelling which prior to then had tended to vary with the scribe.
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That statement makes no sense. The compositors or typesetters or however they were known would have had no more sense of standardised spelling than the now redundant scribes.Doc Watson wrote:One of the major benefits? of the printing press was that it gave some system and order to spelling which prior to then had tended to vary with the scribe.
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Very interesting. The prof. makes a good case. Apologies to young oldman.Salamity Jane wrote:Correct. Standardized spelling came much much later....he said, then did some research and has to concede that oldgitostrich is right:Prof. Suzanne Kemmer wrote: blah blah blah.
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Histengl/spelling.html
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thanks it is ok.felix wrote:Very interesting. The prof. makes a good case. Apologies to young oldman.Salamity Jane wrote:Correct. Standardized spelling came much much later....he said, then did some research and has to concede that oldgitostrich is right:Prof. Suzanne Kemmer wrote: blah blah blah.
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Histengl/spelling.html
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Strawberry Jam wrote:Correct. Standardized spelling came much much later....he said, then did some research and has to concede that oldgitostrich is right:Prof. Suzanne Kemmer wrote: The advent of printing in the late 1400s drastically changed the speed at which manuscripts could be produced and therefore disseminated, and the adoption of paper also helped to make written documents cheaper and more widespread. These factors encouraged the growth of record-keeping and bureaucracy and the continued growth in importance of the Court of Chancery and Chancery English. Property records, tax-collecting and other financial records, laws, and records of crime and punishment all burgeoned in the 1500s.
The rise of schools, designed to train not only religious workers but also secular clerical workers for government, made it possible to train larger numbers of people in literacy and thereby also further spread the developing norms for orthography. The growth of London and its role in public institutions ensured its importance as the center of a linguistic standard for the developing nation. Standard written norms based on London English developed and were used even where local pronunciations were hardly affected by the sounds of spoken London English. Documents moved around in far greater numbers than people and thus could influence the norms of the region more easily than the spoken dialect features of travellers.
The growth of a professionalized class of printers outside of the direct control of church and government led to the role of printers in setting norms of writing and spelling. Printers had a strong interest in standardization to reduce variation and hence make the printing process easier. The printing profession evolved into the profession of publishing, and publishers have been important ever since in the setting of written standards.
During the 1500s, a major upheaval in the pronunciation of English vowels, the Great English Vowel shift, spread through the speech community and tore the conservative written forms of the long vowels away from their changing pronunciations, leaving English with a set of letter-to-written vowel correspondences different from everywhere else in Europe, as well as internal variation that bedevils readers in pairs like divine, divinity.
At about the same time, many inflectional endings were reduced and finally eliminated, notably many final unstressed e's. These "silent e's" were continued in the spelling system but repurposed as a tool to signal the value of the long vowels changed in the Great Vowel Shift (e.g. in mate, name, while etc.). Other sounds were reduced then eliminated, such as the k's and g's in the old clusters kn and gn (as in knight and gnat) and some of the remnants of Old English yogh, the old velar fricative (as in neighbor and bough). The result is the numerous set of "silent letters" that learners find so maddening.
By the late 1500s, under the impetus of printing the tremendous variety of spellings in written English had shaken down into a far smaller set of variants, and a great part of the outlines of the modern orthography was in place. Changes in orthographic norms slowed considerably, and Modern English was left with a spelling system from an earlier period of its history: essentially it is a normalized Middle English system. The result is a set of letter-to-sound mismatches greater than those of elsewhere in Europe, even in some respects greater than those of French, whose spelling was codified a little later.
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Histengl/spelling.html
so she's got travellers right......
but what's with this neighbor and center......normalized.....that ain't normal, mate
and what the hell is a numerous set?
surely a set is singular - does she mean numerous sets?
trying to get my head around that one - but it's very trying
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Sacre Bleu - teh horror!!!!!!!
she's obviously confused herself, poor dear......
she's written a deep investigation into language and she's just gone and fukked it up......
can't get the staff.....
she's obviously confused herself, poor dear......
she's written a deep investigation into language and she's just gone and fukked it up......
can't get the staff.....
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Considering the bible was written many centuries before the printing press was invented ,your post is not accurate.Doc Datson wrote:Without the printing press there would have been no Bible. Without the Bible there would have been no America. Without America there would have been no Kate Smith. Without Kate Smith there would have been no Charlie's Angels. Without Charlie's Angels User would have been a very lonely man.
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Tell some one who cares.Capitaine wrote:Doc Watson wrote:Doc Datson wrote:Without the printing press there would have been no Bible. Without the Bible there would have been no America. Without America there would have been no Kate Smith. Without Kate Smith there would have been no Charlie's Angels. Without Charlie's Angels Doc Watson would have been a very lonely man.
Considering the bible was written many centuries before the printing press was invented ,your post is not accurate.
How dare you draw into question my authoritative knowlege on all things! Hear me now and hear me loud: THE ATU FUNERAL I HAD CANCELLED IS NOW BACK ON! And to think that that one righteous man named Bluebottle had saved you all when he called me captain and I felt humbled enough to leave you all in peace.
I AM GOING TO DANCE ALL OVER YOUR LIFELESS BOBIES BEFORE MY GUEST AND I EAT YOU! YUMMY.
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I only have man boobsCapitaine wrote:pinhedz wrote:Doc Watson wrote:... LIFELESS BOBIES ...
Yes, your lifeless bobies, which is Pinzego speak for boobies.
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