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Post  pinhedz on Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:38 pm

It's a big job Gunther Schuller took on here--and Jack Walrath plays circles around Wynton Marsalis:


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Post  TinyMontgomery on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:08 pm

I've always thought that it was a rather odd decision to hire Wynton Marsalis and Randy Brecker to play Mingus.
Maybe they were the only ones Schuller trusted to play the sheet music properly (without taking too many liberties, that is).

But the main flaw is: If the bass player doesn't beat up anybody during the recording sessions it's not a Mingus album.

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Post  pinhedz on Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:57 am

Gunther probably wasn't up to administering the beatings, but at least he was conscientious.

Making do with people still above-ground, he brought in a number of Mingus veterans/survivors--Walrath was probably one of the last to play with Mingus.

I see there is a 1969 recording of Mingus playing "Epitaph" live in concert, but evidently it was still incomplete at the time of that performance.

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Post  pinhedz on Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:26 am

TinyMontgomery wrote:I've always thought that it was a rather odd decision to hire Wynton Marsalis ...
Name recognition maybe?

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Post  pinhedz on Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:34 pm

Some folks are nostalgic for the LP era just because of the 12-inch album art:


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Post  Guest on Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:47 pm

Sorry for my ignorance. I always wondered how they do that 2:43 sound



I read a youtuber says "amazing flutter tongue solo"
and I guess that's the 2:43 sound... am I right?

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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 22, 2012 7:20 am

Sounds fluttery at 2:43 alright. Why? Because they can? Vivaldi would have just called it tremolo. geek

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:36 pm

Mingus, who was part chinaman or something, really was a jerk. He thought the bass was the most important instrument and didn't see why there needed to be other instruments on stage. He would step on squirrels and scream at reference librarians for kicks (not even joking - look it up). He was so arrogant that he named his long player MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS and MINGUS.

A fun thing to do in the jazz scene is come with puns involving your name and then use those puns to title your discs. i.e. Miles Davis released a silver-certified record called 'So Many Miles in front of the Guileless Crackers & Chumps That I Lost Count' ... McCoy Tyner gave us the engaging disc EATING OKRA WITH FORK TYNERS ... Or you can use famous rhyming and wordplay like Freddie Hubbard's 'Hubbard's Rubber Rudder Cupboard Udder Shudders' ... but Mingus was too exalted for this so he named his sides ESTEEMED LANDED BARON MINGUS, CHARLES MINGUS PRESENTS CHARLES MINGUS, MINGUS MOVES A METER TO THE LEFT.... MINGUS DECIDES TO PLAY THE PIANO TODAY, A Modern Jazz Symposium of MINGUS and Poetry, THE UNPRECEDENTED MINGUS DYNASTY (OK a pun but an egregious one) ... and for a change of pace "Pithecanthropus Erect Us" which was a feeble concept album about 'caveman's inhumanity to herbivorous dinosaurs' and then you have the most unimaginative album title of all time - "MINGUS AH UM WHAT? COULD YOU SAY AGAIN?" ... Hey mongrel, here's a new name for you- Barfles Dingus. You like picking on small animals what can't defend themselves, Dingus? In the words of Grover Washington Junior, "if you find Barfles boring, just the same old same thing, come on sign up we got a Dingus Roast Incorporated." lol! lol! lol! lol!

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:10 am

Yeabut ... Tijuana Moods has like a really cool cover.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:43 am

Monk's trick? He would play wonkily in a different time signature than the tune, but so wonkily that it would sortof synch up with the swang, all of this painsteakingly arranged by suffrin' Nelliekins.

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:24 am

user wrote:Monk's trick? He would play wonkily in a different time signature than the tune, but so wonkily that it would sortof synch up with the swang, all of this painsteakingly arranged by suffrin' Nelliekins.
Not buyin' it--that sounds more like Mingus than Monk. bounce

Anyway, how many jazz cats have the middle name "Sphere?" Just one, I bet. Basketball

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:51 am

Not all the time, mind you. Many times Unharmonious Clunk could come across as an intriguing standard-bearing medium bopper, albeit a somewhat sleepy confused one. But he would bring out his "quadruple-inverted resyncopations" on key dates, according to his own personal nonsense astrological system.

Anyways, because he played a percussive instrument with discrete keys and no breathing, the Monk music goes down a lot better than opiate squawking of the Charlie Parker Akademie. I think Monk maybe did more than any to pave the boulevard towards POST-BOP, which obviously is the ultimate form of music (Large Band Jazz being party dance music, Bebop being squawky junkie shit, Free Jazz being cowpie, whereas POST-BOP is the sound of life and thought itself- the Golden Mean described by The Buddha).

Fucking Charlie Parker, he dont deserve to lick the frijoles off Fats Navarro's shoeleather. Fats Navarro is the reel McCleod, and Charlie Parker is mostly loonloon bin mouth fartings, which is also 11,000 leagues away from the sublime quasi-modal Afrocentric 1960s Van Gelder Studios Sound featuring modified vibrafone, jew's harp, and gourd shaker.

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:58 am

Yeabut--Fats Navarro died in 1950, and I still haven't come to terms with that Creed-Taylor kind of stuff. scratch

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:18 am

You mean 1970s soljassfunc style?

In my kosmology, tru POST-BOP ends by the dawn of the 1970s. The late 1950s and 1960s marks POST-BOP of the mind's eye whence we discarded our syringes and embraced Mindfulness and Asian Hammered Dulcimers. The 1970s is the era of Porno Jazz, which I can digg but granted has the gouda factor.


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Post  pinhedz on Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:23 am

Solljazz--like Grover Washington?

I was thinking you meant Stanley Turrentine, George Benson, Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, ... and like that.

But maybe you really meant Pharoah Sanders. farao

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:40 am

Well soul jass might now be a term that conjures up smooth jass drug-store PA system sounds, but in 1960s souljass was applied to jass that was just a bit more poppy like Hank Moblay or Horus Silvers. And you have souljass and funkjass and soulfuncjass and if you couldn't decide than you call it fusion I think, but I am looking here at the Cat-o-pedia and they are sometimes calling Benson and Stanley souljass youkno. But we dont want to get boggd down in taxonomy. That is not what mindfulness and the state of grace are about. We need to inhabit the living present and really perceive the Billy Cobham demos as just pure sensation.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:54 am

I dont mean to say POST-BOP OF THE FINAL REALITY evaporated, no ... you have a thing where a Hubbard 'n' Hancock would release a lot of poppy sides thru the 1970s but their live shit would be mostly proper POST-BOP, cuz a casual fan of CHAMELEON probably isnt going to venture to THE HI-HAT DUNGEON CLUB on Turk Street. And now of course, one finds a kind of watered down POST-BOP has become the default soundtrack for upscale sushi haunts and HumancentiPad outlets.


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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:23 am

OK, so I gather that Monk had some good points (along with his craziness), that there was a quasi-modal Afrocentric thumb-piano trend in the 1960s that was good (but somehow I missed it scratch ), and now we're gonna check this out:


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:04 pm

Yes good, you've taken your first step into a larger world. Always remember, your focus determines your reality. Be mindful of your thoughts... they betray you. Your ears can deceive you; don’t trust them. The differences you perceive are but in your mind ... you must unlearn what you have learned. Always in motion the future is.

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Post  pinhedz on Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:41 pm

user wrote: ... you must unlearn what you have learned. Always in motion the future is.
Hard to dispute. I'll listen to anyone who's got something I haven't heard.

Anybody out there, since Dot Wiggin, got something I haven't heard?

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