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Post  pinhedz on Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:59 am

This fat book I have on The Blues says that a version of Vastopol (Sevastopol) was published in the 1880s.

But this must be checked out for factual accuracy.

I'm suspicious. Suspect

I will report back. study


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Post  pinhedz on Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:10 am

Elizabeth Cotton playing Vastopol--blues for sure.

But is this really what was published in 1880? Suspect


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Post  pinhedz on Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:25 am

Found it--published in 1860. Very Happy


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Post  pinhedz on Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:10 am

Although I don't think he ever composed a blues, here's a pic of Henry Worrall anyway:


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Post  pinhedz on Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:23 am

The Big Blues Book (the same one that got the Sevastopol question wrong) also claims that the first recorded blues was Mamie Smith's 1921 recording of "Crazy Blues:"



Mamie later changed the name "Harlem Blues" and sang the same song again in a 1935 movie--very nice:



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Post  pinhedz on Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:24 am

But was "Crazy Blues" really and truly the first recorded blues? Suspect

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Post  pinhedz on Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:16 am

No--it truly is not, this one is older.


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Post  felix on Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:17 pm

Huh? cat

Catchy little tune, but, as far as I can see, it was recorded in 1924. Any how, blues form or not (is it?), to paraphrase Ian Hislop, if that record's da blooz, I'm a banana geek

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Post  pinhedz on Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:02 pm

Well I reckon you must be a banana then, 'cuz that tune is shure enuff a blues. Razz

As for the date, near as I can tell the sisters recorded that tune at least 3 times, and if you want to hear a sample of the oldest one, it's track #23 on disc #2 here:

http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Stage-4-1917-1920/dp/samples/B000000WNM/ref=dp_tracks_all_3#disc_3

But that ain't no matter anyway, because the record will show that the tune was published by Mr. Jerome Kern in 1919. Cool


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Post  pinhedz on Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:11 pm

And we know that Mr. Jerome Kern was a bluesman, because he wrote:

"Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly,
I gotta love one man 'til I die,
Can't stop lovin' that man of mine"

Not to mention "The Red Blues:"

"We got the red blues, we got the red blues,
We got the red blues, we got the red blues,
We got the red, red, that's what we said, the red blues."

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Post  felix on Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:32 am


The Misses Duncan listen in awe to the playback of ... the first ever recorded blues ... by them!

study study

Blues success only served to make the gorgeous siblings, if possible, even more beautiful:



Tinseltown was entranced, and the sisters became global silver-screen superstars!



As so often happens, the girls' star faded, and they spent several decades in the doldrums. 'Never say never' was their motto and, amazingly, they resurfaced in the 1980s as the toppermost of teh poppermost in the glitzy world of D-I-S-C-O!



afro cheers afro

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:02 am

I was going to mention that they are another example of blues singers pretending to be black. afro afro afro

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:04 am

Although in their early years they were more like "blues singers trying to look like Kirsten Dunst."

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:26 am

Bad news for the Duncan girls Neutral , they were beat to the punch by 20 years.

"I'd Leave My Happy Home For You" (aka "the hilarious Ooo-Ooo song") was published by Harry Von Tilzer in 1899, and recorded by S. H. Dudley in 1900.

"I'd leave my happy home for you (Ooo-Ooo),
You're the nicest man I ever knew,
If you'll take me and you'll break me in the business too,
Then I'd leave my happy home for you."


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Post  pinhedz on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:28 am

Fun fac: Harry Von Tilzer was the first publisher to publish Gershwin, when George was still in high school. geek

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Post  felix on Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:20 pm

I couldn't find SH Dudley's version on the youtubes - but did find Arthur Collins's 1899 #1 hit record:



and a Columbia cylinder by Len Spencer (just a snippet of the song ... Crying or Very sad ) from the same period, I guess:


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Post  pinhedz on Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:33 pm

Tough to listen to, but the key is the chorus ("I'd leave my happy home..."), there's nothing blue about the verses.

It's unusual in that for the first 10 bars the chorus is a 12-bar blues, then it has two transitional bars, after which it concludes with the last 4 bars of a 16-bar blues.

Some would argue that those 2 transitional bars have high-falutin' chords that bluesmen would not play, but 16-bar blues often pull some fancy stuff in bars 11-12. geek

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:12 am

Could there possibly be a blues song older than 1899. Question

Is that even possible? Shocked

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:14 am

How about this one? It has a 16-bar verse and a 12-bar chorus:






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Post  pinhedz on Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:56 pm

I would like to have been able to name this as the oldest blues song--a song in the 16-bar format about a man stuck in prison and his friends won't go his bail. Neutral

But it doesn't have a major chord accompanying a pentatonic minor scale, so it ain't really "blue" (it probably had a drone accompaniment before Owaine here worked out his accompaniment), so we'll have to put it in the "roots-of-the-blues" category, along with Daemon Lover" and those others:


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