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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:20 pm

Yes, you seem to be making sense. Thank you for summing it up. I've only been reading things on the internet lately, I don't know much about it but it's something that attracts me. I tried to read directly I don't remember what of his work and it wasn't an easy read, at least for me.

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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:00 am

...hi asdf...

...a few posts back I said there was something about Jung's trip to Africa that made me laugh.

Jung traveled to Africa whilst it was still under colonial rule. He was 50. Venturing ever deeper into the interior by train, truck, paddle-wheel steamer, on the back of a mule and on foot, and after a bone-cracking ride in the back of a jeep with about 8 others, his party arrives at a village in the Sudan. Jung meets the chief and his retinue, and writes: 'there was something about the group which was not exactly reassuring'.

The chief calls for a dance. That night about sixty wild-looking men arrive carrying lances, clubs, and swords. They're followed by the women and children. The night is hot. A big fire is made and everyone starts to dance in a circle around it, the women in a circle closest to the fire and the men in the outer circle. Jung starts to feel anxious and then notices that his government escort of three natives armed with rifles has vanished, and so had his 'boys'.

With the wild dancing there is savage singing, drumming and trumpeting. The women are dancing around the fire, the men are moving towards and then away from it, brandishing their weapons.

Jung and an Englishman spring to their feet and join in the dancing. The nearest thing to a weapon Jung has is a rhinoceros whip, so he dances with that. The rhythm of the music speeds up. The dancing accelerates. Everyone’s sweating. Jung says: 'In dances such as these, accompanied by such music, the natives easily fall into a virtual state of possession. That was the case now'.

So what happens is that Jung has a little panic about how things might end with the wild horde and politely asks the chief to stop the festivities and send everyone to bed.. The chief doesn’t want to.......

..............so Jung cracks his rhinoceros whip threateningly and starts screaming obscenities in Swiss-German, and in the same language tells them to go to bed to sleep. It eventually works. The party is over.

Now, asdf, what I find so funny is that Jung claims he went to Africa from a desire to see Europeans through the eyes of an uncivilised race....imagine how they saw him! He began the night giving them cigarettes and safety pins, and ended it by cracking a whip and swearing in Swiss-German. Through their eyes, he must have looked stark raving mad.

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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:18 am

Hi asdf...I'd never heard of this book before (from this web site: http://dithob.blogspot.com/2009_09_20_archive.html)

The Mysteries of Carl Jung and His "Red Book"


Above, page from Carl Jung's Red Book.

From the Philemon Foundation, which is devoted to publishing the full collection of the works of Carl Jung, including "the Red Book": "During WWI, Jung commenced an extended self-exploration that he called his “confrontation with the unconscious.” During this period, he developed his principal theories of the collective unconscious, the archetypes, psychological types and the process of individuation, and transformed psychotherapy from a practice concerned with the treatment of pathology into a means for reconnection with the soul and the recovery of meaning in life. At the heart of this endeavor was his legendary Red Book, a large, leather bound, illuminated volume that he created between 1914 and 1930, and which contained the nucleus of his later works. While Jung considered the Red Book, or Liber Novus (New Book) to be the central work in his oeuvre, it has remained unpublished till this day, and unavailable for study and unseen by the public at large. The work can be best described as a work of psychology in a literary and prophetic form. It is possibly the most influential unpublished work in the history of psychology. Its publication is a watershed that inaugurates a new era in the understanding of Jung’s life and work.

The years … when I pursued the inner images were the most important time of my life. Everything else is to be derived from this. It began at that time, and the later details hardly matter anymore. My entire life consisted in elaborating what had burst forth from the unconscious and flooded me like an enigmatic stream and threatened to break me. That was the stuff and material for more than only one life.

Everything later was merely the outer classification, the scientific elaboration, and the integration into life. But the numinous beginning, which contained everything, was then.”
— C. G. Jung


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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:41 am

...another image from The Red Book'


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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:44 am

The Red Book:


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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:39 pm

I had read about the red book. I guess you didn't because it wasn't published until 2009.

Some more things Wiki says about it:

Biographer Barbara Hannah, who was close to Jung later in his life, compared Jung's experiences to the encounter of Menelaus with Proteus in the Odyssey. Jung, she said, "made it a rule never to let a figure or figures that he encountered leave until they had told him why they had appeared to him."

and also

The Red Book was a product of a technique developed by Jung which he termed active imagination. As Jung described it, he was visited by two figures, an old man and a young woman, who identified themselves as Elijah and Salome. They were accompanied by a large black snake. In time, the Elijah figure developed into a guiding spirit that Jung called Philemon (ΦΙΛΗΜΩΝ, as originally written with Greek letters). Salome was identified by Jung as an anima figure. The figures, according to Jung, "brought home to me the crucial insight that there are things in the psyche which I do not produce, but which produce themselves and have their own life."

The Philemon figure represented superior insight and communicated through mythic imagery. The images did not appear to come from Jung's own experience and Jung interpreted them as products of the collective unconscious.


blue moon wrote:transformed psychotherapy from a practice concerned with the treatment of pathology into a means for reconnection with the soul and the recovery of meaning in life.

That's why I like Jung. I don't know if he was wrong but at least it's something interesting to be explored (reconnection with the soul just sounds good hehe)

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