Did Herbie Hancock sell out to commercial funk?

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Did Herbie Hancock sell out to commercial funk?

Post  pinhedz on Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:56 pm

So it would seem ...




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:53 pm

It is true, he made some funky records and sold them. Maybe in some cases, as you say, record stores sold out of Hancock stock. And sometimes, CORPORATE broadcasters broadcast his materials, in a corporation-like way. But the Headhunters and shorty after period is nice, ballin jassfunk that one could play on one's schooner or bat mitzvah or roller-rink. It's the Hancockian period ushered in by the Future System trilogy circa early Reagan administration... ...that is what is mucho closer to the dreck that you imply with false, foul aspersions.

Yes, go to your Masonic Lodge and continue with insistences that no decent musics were recorded after the break-up of Gid Tanner's Rompin' Hog Collars. Ha. But know that the likes of Pine Top Smith are but loathsome prokaryotes when compared to the cosmic yet earthy stoner jassfunk that is, say, The Hancock's MAN-CHILD. Alpha and Omega, bango-tango.


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Re: Did Herbie Hancock sell out to commercial funk?

Post  pinhedz on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:19 pm

There are two ways to answer the thread-topic question:

-- Yes
-- Yes, but with 'tude


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Post  pinhedz on Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:19 am

In the end, even Gid Tanner went commercial:




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:15 am

Oh jeez, another FrownBeat Magazine-wielding gringo jasshound who just doesn't get it. Jass was supposed to be popular, OpiateBop and Turd Wave Jass be damned. There was also that negro solidarity thing in the late 1960s and 1970s, so a Smiles Davis or a Herbert Hancockle felt compelled to serve up sound skillets that were palatable to the brotherman or the sister souljah on the corner ... afterall there are only so many albino jass-nerds to comprise a market base.

Actually, Hancock was doing freaky-deaky Morton Subotnick mind journeys and calling himself Mwandishi, thereby alienating soulbrothers and jass-crackers alike, and he heard some funk on the radio and he was all "OK I can mos defnitly feel this" and there be a very natural evolution from Herbert's post-Smiles Blue Note recordings to Mwandishi to Cosmic Jassfunk - and what Hancockles does is he incorporates the Mwandishi emphasis on texture...and rich, frothy sonic layerings etc., ... well he incorporates this into the jassfunk so that the jassfunk is not merely porno soundtrack musics, no this Hancockian jassfunk is almost mindbending, otherworldly... so one can see how this ethereal aspect juxtaposes with the earthy, lusty rhythms of soulfunk, and thereby that this brew is heady and embiggening.






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Post  pinhedz on Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:18 am

Another long-winded response that boils down to--in so many words:
"YES, they all sell out, it's show-biz, you pinhed."

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:36 am

Ideally, the artist wants to find something he's genuinely interested in that will also amuse enough suckers to pay the rent. If he doesn't really give a hoot about what he's doing, but thinks it will sell- THAT'S 'selling out.' You're implying Handlecock compromised his integrity for profit, when really, by all accounts, Smiles Davis and Hancock and Freddie Hubbard and the like were genuinely interested in some of the rock and soulfunk of the day, and enjoyed working in new vernacular modalities and shit, all the more so since this was a period when pop music was associated with some kind of social import, you mongoloid.



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Post  pinhedz on Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:40 am

That seems to be more of a NO. scratch

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Re: Did Herbie Hancock sell out to commercial funk?

Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:32 pm

Wall yanno I saw Herbers with the HEADHUNTERS reunion tour at the New Filmore West during the comparitively uneventful 1990s decade- it was not a get-richkwik skeme, tweenenboppers were not clamoring for more 'Watermelon Mans' ... butt the spirit was mos def moving the Herber... Billy Summers did an unprovoked 38 minutes beer bottle solo, Herbers did numerous jammonit KEY-TAR shredencores, and was generally glowin tigerblood you kno?


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:48 pm

And Jesus Quartermaster Epsilon, back away from the Taiwanese imitation Electric Saws-All and also the Chuckle Family Buckle Busters phonograph cylinders...

it's not like Herb's Hunters here were frickin the "Earth, Wind, & Fire on The Midnight Special Anniversary Compilation" :

oo wee, sitch critical reroute auxiliary power we got a containment breach on the Infinite Soul Griddle, my damies

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Post  pinhedz on Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:29 pm

OK, we will excuse Herbie for the funny hair and the goofy get-up as long as he delivers the goods:


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Re: Did Herbie Hancock sell out to commercial funk?

Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu May 29, 2014 1:42 pm

Je don't really want to be long winded, so I will say simply that The Headhunters' music is a complex blend of many styles and genres, including jazz, funk, African and Afro-Caribbean music. The group is also notable for its pioneering use of electronics.

In the sleeve notes to Head Hunters, Hancock confirmed that track 3, "Sly", was named in tribute to Sly Stone, leader of Sly & the Family Stone. This band, along with James Brown, are one of the key influences from funk music. As in funk music, the band often built a groove around a bassline; Paul Jackson's deceptively simple licks are frequently the bedrock of Headhunters material, as much as Mike Clark and Harvey Mason's drumming ("Chameleon", the famous opening track of Head Hunters, provides a fine example of this, although in this case the main bassline is played by Hancock.) Also taken from funk music is the technique of building a complex groove by combining many small but carefully interlocking syncopated contributions.

While straightforward funk depends on a snappy, danceable backbeat from the drummer, Clark and Jackson's interplay danced in and around the groove motif, creating some complex rhythmic patterns. This is arguably best exemplified by the music on Thrust, particularly on the song "Actual Proof." Clark and Jackson's intro to their song "God Make Me Funky" is one of the most sampled pieces in hip hop music.

Early editions of the Headhunters were notable for the absence of a guitarist. All guitar-like parts were handled by Hancock on his first two albums with the group, with one exception: the "rhythm guitar" heard interacting with Hancock's synthesizer bass early in the track Chameleon is actually Jackson playing in the upper register of the bass guitar, as pointed out by Steven F. Pond in his book "Head Hunters!" (2005). Electric guitars were first introduced when DeWayne "Blackbyrd" McKnight appeared on post-Herb Survival of Fittest.

Although the Headhunters' albums were often belittled as "pop" by purist jazz critics at the time, it is now widely accepted that they were significantly influenced by, and made a significant contribution to, the "serious jazz" canon. Their music featured extensive solo and group improvisation over chord progressions, just as in the jazz mainstream. Most of the overtly jazz-influenced material comes in the form of solos from Hancock and Bennie Maupin.

A strong connection to African music is evident, with the role of percussion hugely enhanced compared to mainstream jazz, and more extensive exploration of complex polyrhythms compared to most funk.

The Headhunters are also notable for the unusually wide range of instruments they use. Hancock used a myriad of keyboards, from the staple Fender Rhodes electric piano to the Hohner clavinet, as well as being an early adopter of synthesizers, particularly instruments from ARP. Maupin used bass, tenor, alto and soprano saxophones, bass clarinet and bass flute, and oddities such as the Saxello and Lyricon. Unusual choices like beer bottles and the Voice Bag also featured in their instrumentation.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu May 29, 2014 1:50 pm

here here here, pinehatz was beyond the pale (yet still pale) by singling out HeadHunters ensemble, there are likelier candidates for needling sessions, like maybe The Mr. Hands Band -


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu May 29, 2014 1:55 pm

^ Nan says that sounds like the "pause menu" music for a 16-bit "Sega Genesis" basketball "video game"


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Re: Did Herbie Hancock sell out to commercial funk?

Post  pinhedz on Thu May 29, 2014 2:17 pm

Yakima Canutt wrote:Oh jeez, another FrownBeat Magazine-wielding gringo jasshound ...
The pinhed wielding 'zines? Shocked Not in a million years.  

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