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Post  Lee Van Queef on Sun May 29, 2011 4:04 am

Over the course of his career, a number of myths have been created regarding Dylan.

Okay, to get the ball rolling.... What's the real story concerning 'Self Portrait' do you think? I mean, do people honestly believe he planned it to be shit? (Although I actually quite like it). He must have been playing around a certain extent, purely because of the title of the album and then what followed.... Nonetheless, to purposely release a crap album seems highly unlikely.

Motorcycle accident..... How badly was he hurt? Did it happen?

Newport folk festival.... Were people mainly booing because he "sold out"? Mainly booing because they thought the music was shit? Mainly booed because the sound system was terrible so it couldn't be heard properly? Did Seeger have an axe? Did he want to sort out the sound or did he want to put a stop to it all?

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Post  pinhedz on Sun May 29, 2011 4:12 am

What's always puzzled me is that I don't hear any booing on the Newport recording, and I don't hear anything wrong with the sound system (maybe the recording from the sound board is better than what the crowd heard).

But the story goes (where did I get this story?) that when Peter Yarrow announced that Bob was finished after 3 tunes, the crowd started booing because they wanted more. Peter explained that Bob had only prepared 3 songs with the band (more booing--you can hear this), but that Bob could get his acoustic guitar and do some more songs. So, the crowd got more Bob, but the second set was acoustic.


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Post  Lee Van Queef on Sun May 29, 2011 4:14 am

pinhedz wrote:What's always puzzled me is that I don't hear any booing on the Newport recording.

But the story goes (where did I get this story?) that when Peter Yarrow announced that Bob was finished after 3 tunes, the crowd started booing because they wanted more. Peter explained that Bob had only prepared 3 songs with the band (more booing), but that Bob could get his acoustic guitar and do some more songs. So, the crowd got more Bob, but the second set was acoustic.

Yeah, sorry I forgot to mention the other option about them booing because the set was too short. What was the reaction to him like when he returned with the acoustic, I've forgotten?

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Post  Nah Ville Sky Chick on Sun May 29, 2011 5:10 am

Self Portrait is one of my favourite Bob albums.

I think the motorbike accident was minor and gave him the excuse to take time out, perhaps to get off the smack?

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Sun May 29, 2011 8:21 am

Nah Ville Sky Chick wrote:Self Portrait is one of my favourite Bob albums.

Yikes! Really? I mean it's got some nice songs, but I very rarely listen to it. Double albums really have to be something special to pull off being a double album. This album I guess is special, but on the whole it's far too mediocre to be so long! (IMO!!!!!!!!!!)

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun May 29, 2011 11:23 am

I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS THINGS SEVERAL TIMES.


Self Portrait - Dylan said it best, "I threw a bunch of stuff at the wall, some of stuck, and I put it on the album. Some of it didn't stick, and I put that on the album too." ... Dylan wasn't trying to make a shit album, all the songs he covers are songs he genuinely admires ... but after the muppet country of Nashville Skyline failed to discourage the Dylan Cult Worshipper Loons, Dylan had to raise the stakes with Self Portrait.

Moto accident - injuries were exaggerated, for financial & personal reasons (get out of touring obligations, work on crappy book, retreat from shackles of fame, sober up a bit, spend time with the family etc)

Newport - some booing / hostility, but much exaggerated - everyone likes a good story


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Post  Lee Van Queef on Sun May 29, 2011 10:57 pm

user wrote:Dylan wasn't trying to make a shit album, all the songs he covers are songs he genuinely admires ... but after the muppet country of Nashville Skyline failed to discourage the Dylan Cult Worshipper Loons, Dylan had to raise the stakes with Self Portrait.

So you still believe there was a motive to discourage the "worshippers"?

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 12:15 am

Okay okay.... Who said "Play it fuckin' loud" on the famous 'Judas' bootleg?

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 12:16 am

He never said Smokey Robinson was the greatest living songwriter.

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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 31, 2011 12:23 am

Lane Coutell wrote:Okay okay.... Who said "Play it fuckin' loud" on the famous 'Judas' bootleg?
It was Bob, using his newly-acquired East-ender accent. Bob is a master of dialects--after just a few weeks in New York, the Minnesota boy's manager had become his "maniga'," as in "ya hafta towak to my maniga'."

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Post  Doc Watson on Tue May 31, 2011 12:35 am

pinhedz wrote:
Lane Coutell wrote:Okay okay.... Who said "Play it fuckin' loud" on the famous 'Judas' bootleg?
It was Bob, using his newly-acquired East-ender accent. Bob is a master of dialects--after just a few weeks in New York, the Minnesota boy's manager had become his "maniga'," as in "ya hafta towak to my maniga'."
There is actually a very good bootleg I heard about 5 years ago . I think it was called Ghosts Of Electricity" which covered this I think two people claimed to have said it.

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 2:53 am

pinhedz wrote:
Lane Coutell wrote:Okay okay.... Who said "Play it fuckin' loud" on the famous 'Judas' bootleg?
It was Bob, using his newly-acquired East-ender accent. Bob is a master of dialects--after just a few weeks in New York, the Minnesota boy's manager had become his "maniga'," as in "ya hafta towak to my maniga'."

I would be interested to know if any British people think it's a British accent. I remember a number of people at ER saying as much, but I think they were all American. Mickey Jones, the drummer at the time, believes it's an English roadie. It doesn't sound particulary English to me, although I haven't heard it in a while.

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 3:01 am

The New Morning Voice = he quit smoking. Bollocks!

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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 31, 2011 3:02 am

Lane Coutell wrote:It doesn't sound particulary English to me, although I haven't heard it in a while.
It doesn't sound English to me either, but I think it was a Brit who said it sounded like an East-ender.

As a one-time New York resident, I can vouch for Bob's mastery of New Yorkese during the 1960s.

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Post  Nah Ville Sky Chick on Tue May 31, 2011 3:17 am

Lane Coutell wrote:The New Morning Voice = he quit smoking. Bollocks!

I thought he said he had a cold

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 9:43 pm

Nah Ville Sky Chick wrote:
Lane Coutell wrote:The New Morning Voice = he quit smoking. Bollocks!

I thought he said he had a cold

I think he said both. Both are bollocks I imagine.

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 10:06 pm

Okay, here's one, how about the name 'Dylan'?

Over the years Dylan has offered a number of reasons why he chose the name 'Dylan'. I seem to remember him offering an explanation in Chronicles that seemed the most believable, but I can't actually remember his reasoning. Has it anything to do with Dylan Thomas whatsoever?

Did he ever say this quote:

“I didn't change my name in honor of Dylan Thomas. That's just a story. I've done more for Dylan Thomas than he's ever done for me. Look how many kids are probably reading his poetry now because they heard that story”

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 10:11 pm

Okay, so Dylan and Brando had a fling? I remember this story coming about from a Brando biography released a few years back. Anyone ever read that particulary biography? If so, did it seem that this was based on any facts whatsoever?


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Post  Lee Van Queef on Tue May 31, 2011 10:29 pm

Lane Coutell wrote:He never said Smokey Robinson was the greatest living songwriter.

From an interview with Alan Abrams, former Press Agent for Motown Records:

Along the way, I created some legends that I made up on the spur of the moment. Smokey Robinson—the Bob Dylan quote about him being America’s greatest living poet—I made that up. Now, it’s been around so much that if you asked Dylan, he’d probably say he said it. I came up with wild stuff.

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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 31, 2011 11:10 pm

And what about Pete Seeger trying to cut the cable at the Newport Folk festival with an ax? Did crazy Pete really try to do that?

Crazy Pete sez that he thought Maggie's Farm was a great song, but the sound man had the balance all wrong--you couldn't hear Bob's guitar--so he went back stage and told the sound men to turn Bob's volume up. But they insisted the volume settings were the way Bob wanted them.

Then Pete (according to Pete) said: "If I had an ax I'd cut the cable." bounce

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Post  Nah Ville Sky Chick on Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:19 am

pinhedz wrote:And what about Pete Seeger trying to cut the cable at the Newport Folk festival with an ax? Did crazy Pete really try to do that?

Crazy Pete sez that he thought Maggie's Farm was a great song, but the sound man had the balance all wrong--you couldn't hear Bob's guitar--so he went back stage and told the sound men to turn Bob's volume up. But they insisted the volume settings were the way Bob wanted them.

Then Pete (according to Pete) said: "If I had an ax I'd cut the cable." bounce

I say serves Pete right for taking his ol' dad along. It was only because of his moaning about the sound that got Pete all wound up

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Post  Nah Ville Sky Chick on Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:04 am

Lane Coutell wrote:
Nah Ville Sky Chick wrote:Self Portrait is one of my favourite Bob albums.

Yikes! Really? I mean it's got some nice songs, but I very rarely listen to it. Double albums really have to be something special to pull off being a double album. This album I guess is special, but on the whole it's far too mediocre to be so long! (IMO!!!!!!!!!!)

I had a run out to the Kent countryside today and listened to Self Portrait there and back. Very nice indeed

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Post  Doc Watson on Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:41 pm

It is a very good Album . I would have heard it 87 times at least . Rolling Eyes

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Post  Nah Ville Sky Chick on Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:08 pm

Doc Watson wrote:It is a very good Album . I would have heard it 87 times at least . Rolling Eyes

I have no idea what you are going on about, you talk in tongues, and what's with the rolling eyes?

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Post  Doc Watson on Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:23 am

Nah Ville Sky Chick wrote:
Doc Watson wrote:It is a very good Album . I would have heard it 87 times at least . Rolling Eyes

I have no idea what you are going on about, you talk in tongues, and what's with the rolling eyes?
I responded top your post about Self Portrait. And if I need to explain the rolling eyes . It is simply to suggest that the number 87 was made up and picked out of the air. Surprised

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