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Post  Doc Watson on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:00 am

blue moon wrote:
tigerlily wrote:Dentists.....I avoid them too. When I was a kid I had many fillings put in, all done without novacane. They later found that the dentist had been drilling and filling teeth when there actually were no cavities.
But last week i had to force myself to go because i had cracked a tooth, one with a very old filling. I put it off for about a week, only chewing on one side, but i was getting so damn hungry and my friends were urging me to go ( I love you ) so I finally picked out a dentist and threw caution to the wind.
He was able to save the tooth and explained to me everything as he was working on it. Thankfully I have insurance (a perk with my job) and so only had to pay a fraction of the cost out of pocket.
A toothache is horrible pain to endure, but fear always makes me wait until the last moment to avoid it.
...when I was little we used to get on a bus to visit the 'school dentists', who were actually student dentists. It was revealed years later that many of them drilled our good teeth for the practise. Sad
Last weekend I attended a literacy training course. They handed us platesful of minties. I ate more than my share. I think those chewey lollies did the damage. Sadly a lot of tooth came out with the old filling.
I won't be able to get across to the dentist until the school year ends in about 8 weeks. Luckily I'm not in any pain.
At the rate I'm gaining weight it probably wouldn't be tragic if I couldn't eat. Mind you I've followed Paladin's advice and I walked for an hour tonight, instead of racing home from work and aiming straight for the computer and aatu ( Embarassed )
My teeth got in such a state . Fillings falling out and being replaced until sone teeth were nearly all fillings root filings etc you name it I endured it . I stopped going to the dentist for a while .
In 2005 I realised I had to do something or else I would end up with dentures . I sought help and over the next 18 months I had my teeth reconstructed it involved 18 crowns and many many sessions . and a lot of money. However I have had only check ups since then and with the use of an electric tooth brush and twice daily flossing I have maintained my teeth at thir improved level.

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Post  Guest on Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:43 pm

Doc Watson wrote:My teeth got in such a state . Fillings falling out and being replaced until sone teeth were nearly all fillings root filings etc you name it I endured it . I stopped going to the dentist for a while .
In 2005 I realised I had to do something or else I would end up with dentures . I sought help and over the next 18 months I had my teeth reconstructed it involved 18 crowns and many many sessions . and a lot of money. However I have had only check ups since then and with the use of an electric tooth brush and twice daily flossing I have maintained my teeth at thir improved level.
I'm sure you have charming choppers now Doc. I wish I could say the same. My teeth are all different shades of off-white. My students sagely compared them with dog's teeth the other day.

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Post  Guest on Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:46 pm

ISN wrote:maybe you could think of something else chronic to get your hands on the free dentistry - perhaps chronic hypochondria - I've got that

or Baron Munchausen's disease...haha

...thanks for the advice. I've settled for Tourettes.
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Post  Guest on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:25 am

I had 2 cigarettes tonight

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Post  Constance on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:51 am

blue moon wrote:...oh thanks Catherine. I didn't know about that. Hmmm.
I didn't know you suffer from schizophrenia. I'm sorry to hear it.

I've been to psychiatrists twice in my life. The first one was old and warm-hearted and grandfatherly and advised me to take that trip to London I was dreaming of (I did...although I don't think he realised I only had enough for a one-way ticket).

The second guy had cold fish-eyes and diagnosed manic-depression and prescribed lithium. I took it. When I sensed I was becoming as cold and clinical as the arsehole who prescribed it I stopped taking it and have sort of weathered the storm since.

...none of my friends, or any members of my family, know any of this Shocked

Thanks for sharing, moonie. You seem very sensitive and kind, so if you have any form of mood disorder, it agrees with you.

Strange how we tell each other our secrets over the internet. I have some secrets I'm too shy to tell.

But I will say, I've been taking anti-depressants for 20 years. I have a long-time MD from Taiwan, of all places. She finished med school in Taiwan, wanted an adventure, so picked up her parents and moved to NYC when she was a young MD. She is married to an American psychologist.

It is totally a brain chemistry thing. It has no link to anything external. With all the drugs I take, I still get depressed but very rarely. It strikes out of nowhere. Dr. Rogers just ups one of the meds and I get better. Then we go back to the regular dosage. The MD is great. Her father was a Kuomingtan general with Chaing Kai Shek. She was a toddler during the bombing of Chongquing. We have very interesting talks.

No one knows. The girls think I take a handful of vitamins every night.

My mother and grandmother were much sicker than I am. About six years ago my mother tried to kill herself with CO2 emission. I had to pick up the pieces. She is the trial of my life. She is hale and hearty at age 85. Luckily she has no depression now.

I sometimes think of how fine and finished we all appear online and how we can't or don't share the most intimate things. But isn't that true of life. I think of this now because I was keeping a big secret for about six weeks just recently and it was so curious to go around my routines as if nothing were different. How did Thoreau put it, "Men lead lives of quiet desperation"?


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Post  Constance on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:53 am

Vera Cruz wrote:Warning: this thread might contain nuts geek


I don't know what lithium is but for some time they prescribed me haloperidol and I know what you mean by cold. Fortunately the doctor realized it wasn't doing me good.

Haloperidol is an anti-psychotic!

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Post  Guest on Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:45 am

Yes, I know...

Now I take Abilify. It is an antipsychotic too but it's very new, not like haloperidol. But I'm not psychotic... as far as I know hehe. What I couldn't stand were antidepressants, fortunately now I don't need to take them. I'm much better than I was.

It's true over the internet one can talk easilier about these things. I don't go everywhere telling what medication I take.

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Post  tatiana on Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:41 pm

well said Constance.....

I love you

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Post  tigerlily on Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:15 pm

blue moon wrote:I had 2 cigarettes tonight
What happened??
Sometimes we just need to smoke.....
..... and then start over with the quitting.
Been there, done that .... many times

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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:02 am

...I had two (3) more today.

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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:03 am

...it just goes with the alchohol Rolling Eyes

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Post  Doc Watson on Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:24 am

blue moon wrote:...it just goes with the alchohol Rolling Eyes
I have a lot of alocohol , but never smoke !

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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:38 pm

...you are a saint. sigh.
I just walked through the hot sun to fetch a butt from my sister-in-laws ashtray.

(ISN...how do you apostrophise that?)

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Post  felix on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:53 am

I believe he has told us before that Doc Oldmanemu Watson never smoked. So there will never have been , for him, a connection between the enjoyment of alcohol and the enjoyment of smoking. Unlike the situation for those of us for whom a good drink was even better with a good smoke. That was one of the more difficult parts of giving up cigs about 8 1/2 years ago ...

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Post  tatiana on Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:17 am

felix wrote:I believe he has told us before that Doc Oldmanemu Watson never smoked. So there will never have been , for him, a connection between the enjoyment of alcohol and the enjoyment of smoking. Unlike the situation for those of us for whom a good drink was even better with a good smoke. That was one of the more difficult parts of giving up cigs about 8 1/2 years ago ...

for me giving up cigarettes (may 2000), and still having a drink was easy.


i found it so much easier to fall down drunk without having to worry about where that stupid cigarette had gone to.


seriously though.
it was never a worry to not have a smoke when i was drinking, it made drinking easier, not having to worry about where the next ciggie from coming from.


extra seriously, i had stopped drinking in 1996, so i didn't have anything to worry about.


now.....i drink again (but much less), and not having the smoke does not bother me.

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Post  Doc Watson on Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:37 pm

blue moon wrote:...you are a saint. sigh.
I just walked through the hot sun to fetch a butt from my sister-in-laws ashtray.

(ISN...how do you apostrophise that?)
Certainly no saint lol . And I think the apostrophe goes between the w and the s but may be wrong Razz

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Post  Doc Watson on Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:40 pm

felix wrote:I believe he has told us before that Doc Oldmanemu Watson never smoked. So there will never have been , for him, a connection between the enjoyment of alcohol and the enjoyment of smoking. Unlike the situation for those of us for whom a good drink was even better with a good smoke. That was one of the more difficult parts of giving up cigs about 8 1/2 years ago ...
It is not true that I have never smoked . I tried 4 times between the ages of 16 and 22. I have experienced the connection between the enjoyment of alcohol and smoking. I just did not enjoy it . A lot of my friends smoke. And my father was addicted

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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:55 pm

blue moon wrote:...I had two (3) more today.

Sad

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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:54 pm

Paladin wrote:
blue moon wrote:...I had two (3) more today.

Sad
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...4 today...

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:01 am

I have to go to the doctor today but I'm not telling her yet that I want to give up smoking. I want to but I don't...

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:39 am

I'll try and stop again tomorrow...I'll flush the packet I bought today under the water tap before I go to bed so they don't call out to me in the middle of the night. Shocked

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Post  eddie on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:54 am

Johnny Depp on the Smoking issue and other matters:
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Johnny Depp: 'I'm not ready to give up my American citizenship'

The Rum Diary star on his love of Europe, flying by private jet and why he can't stop smoking

Decca Aitkenhead
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 6 November 2011 20.00 GMT


Johnny Depp, dubbed by GQ as 'the world's coolest actor. Photograph: Chris Pizzello/AP


In the weeks leading up to this interview, I began to think there must be some law that makes it illegal not to love Johnny Depp. Everyone melts into a puddle at the mention of his name. Men go even loopier than women – and the higher men rank on the cool-ometer of fame, the more in love with Deep they seem to be. Keith Richards, Brad Pitt, Marilyn Manson, the Gallagher brothers – the dudes all adore Johnny – while this month's GQ anoints him "the world's coolest actor". The director of Withnail & I was only talked out of retirement to make Depp's latest movie "because it was for Johnny", and recently Ricky Gervais was swooning in this paper: "His emails are like poetry. He's made of bohemia."


The Rum Diary
Production year: 2011
Country: USA
Directors: Bruce Robinson
Cast: Aaron Eckhart, Amaury Nolasco, Amber Heard, Giovanni Ribisi, Johnny Depp, Michael Rispoli, Richard Jenkins
More on this film

What can Depp do to inspire all of this? I wasn't sure that the chance to try to find out would ever actually happen. The mythology surrounding Depp casts him as a sort of Scarlet Pimpernel of Hollywood, so notoriously elusive that one director who flew to London and spent days searching for him observed that the secret to signing Depp "is finding him". He loathes the media, once threatened the paparazzi with a plank, and at one memorable Cannes film festival cancelled all his interviews and refused to get out of bed. But after a long and involved game of on-off, on-off, on-again ping pong, last Friday the door to a discreet London hotel suite swings open, and there he is, hanging out of the window smoking.

Depp looks like he should be in Bon Jovi, or behind a stall selling Zippos in Camden market. The shirt is extravagantly ripped, the jewellery is heavily goth, the glasses are tinted and the tattoos wrap around him like climbing ivy. His voice loiters somewhere between a drawl and a growl – a deep Kentucky slurry of mumbles – but punctuated by surprise bursts of Queen's English, with the odd anglicism ("take a gander at this") thrown in, making him sound like Tom Waits auditioning for My Fair Lady.

At 48, Depp's face remains, if no longer quite ethereal, then still breathtakingly beautiful – creamy smooth, freakishly symmetrical, with a thick chop of chocolate hair untroubled by any trace of grey. The actor has spent most of his career trying to abdicate from the position of Hollywood sex symbol, but there appears to be nothing he can do about the tenacity of his beauty. And yet, the very first thing out of his mouth – once he's stubbed the fag out – gives a pretty good idea of how he would he prefer to be seen, and how he sees himself.

"In Los Angeles, the hoity toities, the beautiful people, will sit on Sunset Strip and have their meal at these kind of fancy restaurants where no one can smoke – but you can inhale car fumes all you like." He shakes his head. "I mean, that to me says it all."

Smoking is a useful metaphor for Depp's self-image – renegade, European, rough around the edges. He did manage to give it up for two and a half years, and despite having to smoke in almost every scene of his new film, The Rum Diary – "just fake things, I think they're made of cured leather or something, they're really hideous, you light it and it smells like a tyre burning" – it was only on the journey home that nicotine reclaimed him.

"One bang on [the director] Bruce Robinson's horrible little Café Crème cigar. One bang – yeah, one hit and it was over." Robinson, for his part, fell off the wagon while making The Rum Diary and began drinking again. "Yeah," Depp grins, "it was the gift we gave each other.

"I just said: 'Come on, give me a bang.' Bruce and I were in the plane, and I just said: 'Oh come on.' You know, we'd had a bit to drink – and …" He mimes taking a drag. On the plane? "On the plane, mmmm." I look puzzled. He looks momentarily bashful. "Well, it was a private plane. On a private plane you can smoke. It makes it an incredibly expensive habit, of course," he shrugs, "cos you can only smoke on a private plane."

Actually, he says, smoking's not the only reason he only ever flies private. "The commercial flight thing, it just gets a little weird when you're standing in line and suddenly you're not just a guy standing in line any more, you become sort of novelty boy."

Ever since Depp became a teen idol in the 80s TV series 21 Jump Street, the star has been at war with his own fame. An accidental actor, he came to LA in his teens hoping for a record deal for his rock band, but ended up doing telesales until he fell into acting, and before he knew it he was an international pin-up. Depp spent most of the 80s and 90s getting very drunk, going out with Kate Moss and Winona Ryder, brawling with photographers and generating more of the very publicity he found so oppressive. No amount of dark or quirky leftfield roles – Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Don Juan DeMarco – could get him out of the gossip columns.

"I mean, all those films didn't do well at the box office. But I still had paparazzi chasing my tail, so it was the weirdest thing in the world. Everywhere you went you were on display. It was always some kind of strange attack on the senses; I was never able to embrace it. So self-medication," meaning drink and drugs, "was just to be able to deal with it."

That strategy lasted until the birth of his daughter, Lily-Rose, in 1999, to the French actor and singer Vanessa Paradis, which he credits with changing – even saving – his life. The couple retreated behind the walls of homes in Paris, the Bahamas and the south of France, had a son, Jack, now nine, and devoted themselves to a private family life, growing vegetables and tending vineyards, with Depp resurfacing only to make critically acclaimed, if commercially unspectacular, films. It sounds like an idyll of wholesome simplicity and artistic integrity. The only snag is "I just don't go out. I just don't go anywhere. Just don't leave home."


Johnny Depp as young reporter Paul Kemp in The Rum Diary, based on a Hunter S Thompson novel. Photograph: Everett Collection/Rex Featu

It's a strange profession where the prize for success is house arrest, isn't it? "It's a very privileged opportunity I've been given, obviously. You know, the benefits are certainly very good," he smiles. "But there is a trade-off, as with anything. Somebody's always going to bring you the bill. The invoice comes." And the bill is his liberty.

Depp might have been allowed to recover some of his freedom by now, were it not for one choice he made 10 years ago. It didn't just win him his first Oscar nomination; it has made him the highest-paid movie star of all time, earning $75m between June 2009 and June 2010 alone. Award-winning performances in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Finding Neverland and Sweeney Todd have secured his metamorphosis into box office gold – and all because of that one performance, as Captain Jack Sparrow in the first Pirates of the Caribbean film.

Did he anticipate what the part would do to his career? "Not really, no. Pirates was a film I did just like any other one, I made that choice the same way I made every other choice."

Knowing what he knows now, I wonder if he'd have thought twice before making it. "I wouldn't change anything, no. Because I think I went into it innocently, and it became what it became. And now they want to tear me down. Instantly, as soon as I did Pirates II, they say: 'Oh, he's selling out.' What the fuck does that mean, selling out? What if I did Ed Wood II, is that selling out? I mean, it's not like I was ever looking to become franchise boy, I was never looking to become anything like that. I just latched on to a character I loved."

Becoming "franchise boy" has in fact done nothing to diminish Depp's credibility. But I'm not sure any of his films really account for his status as the world's coolest actor, or make much of a difference either way. It can't be down to his beauty alone either, or men wouldn't lose their heads around him. I think we get closer to an explanation when Depp talks about The Rum Diary, and his friendship with Hunter S Thompson.

The film is based on an unpublished novel Depp found in Thompson's basement in the 90s. Heavily autobiographical, it tells the story of a hard-drinking young reporter called Paul Kemp who goes to work for a paper in Puerto Rico in 1960, and becomes outraged by the corruption and devastation wreaked by American capitalism's arrival on the island. It turns into a tale of heroic journalistic integrity – but not, in truth, a good film.

The older, LSD-addled version of Thompson Depp played in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was anarchic and funny and clever – whereas the younger incarnation as Kemp is naive, dreadfully earnest and takes himself and his notion of Being A Writer so seriously that only the most impressionable student journalist could watch without cringing. Yet to Depp, Kemp is the ultimate romantic hero – uncompromised, irony-free – and his idolisation of the writer becomes almost breathless.

"You know Hunter typed The Great Gatsby? He'd look at each page Fitzgerald wrote, and he copied it. The entire book. And more than once. Because he wanted to know what it felt like to write a masterpiece. He was so hungry, yeah. Innocent, and yearning." After Thompson saw Fear and Loathing, Depp was a bundle of nerves, and called him up to ask if he hated it. "God, no man," Thompson told him. "It was like an eerie trumpet call over a lost battlefield." Depp looks awestruck. "Those words just came out, and I thought, fucking hell, what a beautiful sentence." He repeats it slowly, lovingly: "An eerie trumpet call over a lost battlefield."

I think it's Depp's own innocence – expressed as indiscriminate adoration for those he admires – that might be what men respond to. It's an odd thing, but a star with a weakness for public hero worship seems to inspire deliriously wide-eyed hero worship in his fans. Depp is a famous enthusiast, with great taste – he loves Withnail & I, The Fast Show, Jack Kerouac, gonzo journalism, hard liquor, good wine and rock guitar. But then, so do a lot of the men in my local bar in Hackney. Only in today's Hollywood, where most heartthrobs are traditionally either too insecure or undiscerning to share these tastes with boyishly humble enthusiasm, do they confer the status of Jean-Paul Sartre crossed with James Dean.

Depp comes across as thoughtful, friendly and good fun. It would be very hard not to like him. But – and I realise this is tantamount to heresy – he is probably not the best actor in the world, for while no one can match him for kooky freakery, a straight and understated role like Kemp exposes his limitations. But he embodies a collective ideal of cool that touches men.

Early US box office returns suggest The Rum Diary may not break even – but he says he couldn't care less about the money. "No, God no, no. It's always a crap shoot, and really if you have that in your head while you're making a movie the process would become something very different. No, I couldn't give a rat's arse really, not really."

The publicity blitz in the past week might make cynics suggest otherwise. But the film is Depp's homage to Thompson, who died in 2005, and also the first release by Depp's own production company, which would account for his uncharacteristically energetic media campaign. "I believe that this film, regardless of what it makes in, you know, Wichita, Kansas, this week – which is probably about $13 – it doesn't make any difference. I believe that this film will have a shelf life. I think it will stick around and people will watch it and enjoy it." Does he suspect it will go down better in Europe than the US?

"Most definitely. It's something that will be more appreciated over here, I think. Cos it's – well, I think it's an intelligent film." He leaves a meaningful pause. "And a lot of times, outside the big cities in the States, they don't want that."

Depp's well-documented love affair with all things European has always had a hint of hero worship about it too. I ask if there's anything he doesn't like about Europe, and he thinks hard for a while. "No. Not that I can think of, no. It's a very old and beautiful culture, people know how to live. You know, here you have Sunday roast or the pub lunch, that kind of thing. It's comforting. We don't have that in our culture in the States. Sunday is football day, so it's chicken wings and pizza."

He got into hot water in 2003 for describing the US as "dumb", having told another interviewer in 2000: "I want to be in the country where life is simple, and we don't have to worry about being mugged or approached by some guy selling crack on the street." Depp has been despairing of America's trashy culture and violence for as long as I can remember, and France is so central to his identity as a discerning sophisticate that I assumed he would never return to the US. So when I ask if he could ever imagine living there again, his reply comes as quite a surprise.

"Well, I kind of do. I'm between wherever I end up on location, and then the States."

What? Hang on a minute; why did he leave France? He makes a sour noise, part grunt, part hurrumph. "Cos France wanted a piece of me. They wanted me to become a permanent resident. Permanent residency status – which changes everything. They just want," and he mimes peeling off notes in his palm. "Dough. Money."

If Depp spends more than 183 days in France, he explains indignantly, he'd have to start paying income tax. "I'm certainly not ready to give up my American citizenship. You don't have to give up your American citizenship," he adds sarcastically, but then he'd have to pay tax in both countries, "so you essentially work for free."

And all of a sudden, he sounds exactly like your average corporate Middle America multimillionaire – anti-government, anti-tax and apparently oblivious to the part these twin monstrous affronts might play in creating a country where he doesn't have to worry about being mugged by crack dealers on every street.

Maybe nobody – not even Depp himself – could ever live up to the heroic legend of Johnny Depp. So deep is our attachment to the mythology, though, I doubt anything he says or does will ever puncture it. Before I go, I ask if the celebrated story of him and Kate Moss ordering a bath filled with champagne in a hip Notting Hill hotel ever actually happened.

"I'd don't think we were even in that hotel," he smiles apologetically. "No, it's not true. I wish we had done it. But you know, I'm not the most extrovert person in the world. I'm not particularly … I'm not … I'm not …" and he searches in vain for the word. "You know, at my very core I'm pretty shy. I just happen to have a weird job."

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:10 am

...I need to keep smoking so I can ask him for a light should we meet... Very Happy

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Post  eddie on Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:22 am

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:24 am

...although it might be a better tactic to offer him a cigarette

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