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Post  eddie on Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:31 pm

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Post  eddie on Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:55 pm

Feds launch preliminary hack probe

July 15, 2011


The FBI is probing allegations News Corp tried to hack into September 11 victims' phones

The FBI has begun a preliminary inquiry based on concerns in the US Congress over a report that media mogul Rupert Murdoch's News Corp sought to hack into the phones of September 11 2001 victims, a law enforcement official said.

The decision to step in was made after Congressman Peter King and several other members of Congress wrote to FBI Director Robert Mueller demanding an investigation, said the official.

The official stressed that the review was in its infancy but declined to discuss the scope of it or say what steps had been taken.

The FBI routinely makes preliminary inquiries into issues raised by politicians and others to determine whether a full-blown investigation is needed.

US attorney general Eric Holder confirmed the early stages of an inquiry into the allegations that first surfaced in the UK.

"There have been members of Congress in the United States who have asked us to investigate those same allegations and we are progressing in that regard using the appropriate criminal law enforcement agencies in the United States," Mr Holder said at a press conference in Australia while attending a meeting of the attorneys-general of the US, United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand and Australia.

The suggestion that September 11 victims also may have been were targeted surfaced on Monday in the Mirror. The newspaper quoted an anonymous source as saying an unidentified American investigator had rejected approaches from unidentified journalists who showed a particular interest in British victims.

Prime Minister David Cameron vowed that the claim would be investigated.

US Department of Justice spokeswoman Laura Sweeney said that the department "does not comment specifically on investigations, though anytime we see evidence of wrongdoing, we take appropriate action".

Mr King's letter had called for "an immediate investigation", saying it was an "urgent matter". Mr King, a Republican, said he had not officially been contacted by the FBI and said he wanted to reserve comment until he hears from the agency. "If they do, I'd be gratified," he said in a brief telephone interview.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:00 am

Murdoch denounces Parliament 'lies'

July 15, 2011


Rupert Murdoch said he would challenge the 'total lies' issued about his News Corporation media empire

A defiant Rupert Murdoch has said that he would challenge the "total lies" issued about his News Corporation media empire in the phone hacking scandal when he appears before MPs next week.

The 80-year-old media mogul earlier bowed to pressure and agreed to give evidence to the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee on Tuesday, having previously said he was unavailable to attend.

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, which is owned by News Corp, he said he wanted to address "some of the things that have been said in Parliament, some of which are total lies".

He added: "We think it's important to absolutely establish our integrity in the eyes of the public... I felt that it's best just to be as transparent as possible."

Despite the massive outcry over the allegations centring on the now defunct News of the World, Mr Murdoch insisted that the damage to his company was "nothing that will not be recovered".

He said News Corp would now establish an independent committee, headed by a "distinguished non-employee" to investigate all charges of improper conduct.

However, the pressure intensified with the disclosure that the FBI has opened in inquiry into claims that News Corp journalists sought to hack the phones of the victims of the 9/11 terror attacks.

Congressman Peter King, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee who asked the FBI to investigate, said it was the "American dimension" of the phone-hacking scandal. "This could be a criminal matter. The FBI handles criminal investigations," he said.

Earlier, the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee issued summonses to Mr Murdoch and his son, James, to appear on Tuesday after they had both said they were unavailable. Following a warning from the Leader of the House, Sir George Young, that they could - in theory at least - be fined or even imprisoned if they refused, James Murdoch wrote to confirm they would be there.

The Murdochs' decision to accede to the MPs' demands came little over 24 hours after they dropped their takeover bid for BSkyB in the face of overwhelming opposition from Parliament.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:12 am

Sitting extended for hacking debate

July 18, 2011


David Cameron has said Parliament is to delay its summer break to discuss the phone-hacking scandal

David Cameron has signalled that parliament's summer break is to be delayed after Britain's top police officer became the latest casualty of the phone-hacking scandal.

The Prime Minister said the Commons was likely to sit on Wednesday so he could "answer any questions that may arise".

But, in the wake of Sir Paul Stephenson's bombshell resignation as Metropolitan Police commissioner on Sunday, he denied there was any comparison to be made with his own position and defended his decision to visit Africa while the crisis raged.

Speaking at a joint press conference with South African president Jacob Zuma in Pretoria, Mr Cameron said: "I think it right for Britain to be engaged with South Africa and to be engaged with Africa as a whole. There is a huge opportunity for trade, for growth, for jobs, including jobs at home in the UK. I think it is right for the British Prime Minister to be out there with British businesses trying to drum up exports and growth that will be good for both our countries."

Mr Cameron added: "The situation in the Metropolitan Police Service is really quite different to the situation in the Government, not least because the issues that the Metropolitan Police are looking at, the issues around them, have had a direct bearing on public confidence into the police inquiry into the News of the World and indeed into the police themselves."

Mr Cameron's defence came after Sir Paul announced his departure, admitting that the furore over his links with former News of the World deputy editor Neil Wallis risked damaging the Met.

However, the commissioner also delivered a barb at Mr Cameron by suggesting his decision to hire Mr Wallis as a media adviser was less controversial than the appointment of the newspaper's former editor Andy Coulson as Downing Street communications director.

Downing Street said Mr Cameron is planning to make a statement updating MPs at 11.30am on Wednesday. However, there will not be a Prime Minister's questions session afterwards. A spokeswoman for the premier also revealed that a new list of his contacts with senior media figures will be released later after some "omissions" were identified.

The Culture Select Committee later announced that Rupert and James Murdoch will be giving evidence at 2.30pm on Tuesday. Ms Brooks will appear by herself from 3.30pm, the committee confirmed. Ms Brooks's solicitor Stephen Parkinson, of Kingsley Napley, said the Metropolitan Police put no allegations to Ms Brooks during nine hours of interviews on Sunday, and he described the decision to arrest her as causing "enormous reputational damage".

Ed Miliband said Prime Minister David Cameron has a "whole series of unanswered questions" to address about his relationship with Ms Brooks and the Murdochs, Ed Miliband insisted today. The Labour leader said there was a "sharp contrast" between the "honourable" decision by Met commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson to resign and Mr Cameron's repeated refusal to admit he made an "error of judgment" by employing ex-News of the World editor Andy Coulson.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:26 am

Uh-oh. Suspect

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Whistleblower journalist found dead

July 19, 2011


Former News of the World reporter Sean Hoare has been found dead at his home in Watford

A former News of the World reporter who alleged Andy Coulson "encouraged" him to hack phones has been found dead.

Sean Hoare, who made claims in a New York Times article about the Prime Minister's former communications chief, was discovered at his home in Watford, Hertfordshire, after concerns were raised about his whereabouts.

A neighbour of the ex-journalist, who did not want to be named, said he was "paranoid" and looked increasingly unwell in recent weeks.

He said his friend - who battled alcohol abuse - had told residents about voicemail interception long before it hit the headlines.

Hertfordshire Police said the death was being treated as "unexplained, but not thought to be suspicious".

The neighbour said the ex-NoTW reporter was worried he was being watched. Asked if he ever spoke about the Sunday tabloid, the man said: "Yes, he did. He talked a lot, but we never knew if he was telling the truth. He said he was in trouble and he was worried about people coming to get him."

Describing Mr Hoare as a "fantasist", he added: "A lot of the time we didn't know what to believe."

Last year Mr Hoare publicly claimed that Coulson was aware of phone hacking while he was editor at the News of the World. He gave an interview to the New York Times, and then to the BBC, about the use of phone hacking at the newspaper. Speaking to BBC Radio 4's PM programme, he said phone hacking was "endemic" in the newspaper industry.

Mr Hoare, who worked on the Sun before being recruited by Mr Coulson to work on the NoTW, said: "He was well aware that the practice exists. To deny it is a lie, simply a lie." Coulson denies the allegations.

A post-mortem examination is taking place as police continue to investigate the death. A Hertfordshire Police spokeswoman added: "The man's next of kin have been informed and the family are being supported by police at this sad time." Officers have yet to confirm arrangements for an inquest to be opened.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:30 am

First Shale, then Hoare.

It's bloody odd, if you ask me. Suspect Suspect Suspect

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  Lee Van Queef on Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:40 am

Turn on to BBC2, both Murdoch's are currently giving evidence to the Culture & Media committee. It just started.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  Nah Ville Sky Chick on Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:26 am

Clarence LeRoy Van Cleef wrote:Turn on to BBC2, both Murdoch's are currently giving evidence to the Culture & Media committee. It just started.

I am listening to it on LBC

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:13 pm

Clarence LeRoy Van Cleef wrote:Turn on to BBC2, both Murdoch's are currently giving evidence to the Culture & Media committee. It just started.

Rupert Murdoch, James Murdoch, Rebekkah Brooks saw no evil, heard no evil, spoke no evil:


The Three Wise Monkeys.

...and if you believe that, you'll believe anything.


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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:18 pm

Bookmakers Ladbrokes have cut the odds on seeing Prime Minister David Cameron's head on a spike over this affair from 100/1 to 8/1:


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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  Lee Van Queef on Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:32 am

I don't really understand the calls for Cameron to step down and can't see it happening.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:52 pm

Clarence LeRoy Van Cleef wrote:I don't really understand the calls for Cameron to step down and can't see it happening.

Guardian editorial Thursday 21 July 2011:

Phone hacking: The judgment thing

In a carefully parsed remark that echoed Bill Clinton's denials of sex with Monica Lewinsky, Cameron said that he "never had any inappropriate conversations" with Murdoch or his minions

Editorial guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 20 July 2011 20.37 BST

David Cameron came to the House of Commons on Wednesday with a clear aim. He wanted to close a chapter in the phone-hacking crisis before the summer recess. With his own credibility under challenge, with unanswered questions proliferating and with parts of his party increasingly uneasy, the prime minister returned from Africa to try to reassert a grip he had lost since setting up the Leveson inquiry on 13 July. In party terms, his sharper expression of regret over the hiring of Andy Coulson and the announcement of broader terms of reference for the inquiry satisfied Conservative MPs. They rallied behind Mr Cameron, began to turn the heat on Labour, and will head off on holiday more confidently. But neither they nor Mr Cameron should get cocky. The prime minister left important questions unanswered. And he has set in motion processes of inquiry into a still unfolding story which, at the very least, will change the way that he and the rest of us do politics and may yet force him into some very tight corners and do lasting harm to his reputation, too.

It is easy to claim, as Tory backbenchers concertedly did, that the public is ready to move on. But the unanswered questions cannot be just wished away. Mr Cameron's conduct and judgment remain at issue, whether Conservatives like it or not. By his own admission, the PM has had 26 meetings with News International executives in 15 months at a time when Rupert Murdoch's UK operation has been focused on taking full ownership of BSkyB and during which NI's phone hacking has been an open sore. In a carefully parsed remark that echoed Bill Clinton's denials of sex with Monica Lewinsky, Mr Cameron said that he "never had any inappropriate conversations" with Mr Murdoch or his minions. But that is an awful lot of meetings with important friends and contacts in which to avoid subjects that were uppermost in NI minds. Given seven chances to deny he had discussed the BSkyB deal, he failed to do so. The inference is clear. And so is what it says about Mr Cameron's judgment.

Nor can Mr Cameron wish away his misjudgment over Andy Coulson, much as he may now wish to put more distance between himself and his former communications chief. The evidence that Mr Cameron operated in, at best, a bubble of denial of the Coulson problem continues to fester. The prime minister was warned, directly and by intermediaries, about Mr Coulson's involvement with phone hacking while at the NoW. Downing Street's refusal to give details about the firm which vetted Mr Coulson only adds to the impression of casualness towards matters that could and should have been addressed more seriously. Mr Coulson's security clearance, it now emerges, was not as wide as he might have expected it to be. Did no one ask why? Mr Cameron's chief of staff may indeed have acted properly in keeping himself and the prime minister behind a cordon sanitaire on phone hacking. But it added to the failure to address the Coulson problem all the same. These are problems deferred, not problems addressed or solved.

The defensiveness over Mr Coulson and No 10's other NI links is a striking contrast, perhaps suspiciously so, with the radical approach and positive tone Mr Cameron adopted elsewhere in his statement. It is wise to broaden the inquiry to cover all police forces and to look at possible criminal activities by other forms of media. The appointments to the Leveson panel are well balanced. And Mr Cameron's healthy instinct for transparency in other contexts was underlined by his announcements that politicians should have no future role in media mergers and that police chiefs could in future come from outside the service. He is right to want the civic catharsis of which he spoke. But we will not get this desirable outcome while the curtains remain pulled shut over so many so important unanswered questions.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  Lee Van Queef on Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:21 pm

Okay, what I can make from your copy and paste response is that he should/could step down because:

1. He met NI representatives on numerous occasions, despite the BskyB takeover negotiations still ongoing. The takeover was almost certainly mentioned at some of these meetings.

2. His employment of Andy Coulson.

I still stand by my original comment, as neither of these issues seem much of a reason to step down.

Firstly, Cameron doesn't seem to have any closer a relationship with NI representatives than Labour have had.... including when the BskyB negotiations were ongoing. Even if he did, that is not a reason to step down.

Secondly, stepping down over appointing Andy Coulson doesn't make any sense at all... Unless of course if evidence is found that not only Coulson knew and authorised phonehacking, but also that Cameron knew that Coulson was personally involved in hacking - but employed him anyway. Which is highly unlikely. Appointing Coulson was a poor and bizarre decision by Cameron, but certainly not a resigning issue.

To be fair, Blair has set the bar pretty high: The man took Britain to a war based on weapons of mass destruction that didn't actually exist. Cameron will probably have to be caught redhanded attempting to murder someone to step down on a moral issue.

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  eddie on Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:48 pm

Clarence LeRoy Van Cleef wrote:Blair has set the bar pretty high: The man took Britain to a war based on weapons of mass destruction that didn't actually exist. Cameron will probably have to be caught redhanded attempting to murder someone to step down on a moral issue.

Agree 100% with that.

What I really have against Cameron, Blair, Johnson and their ilk is that they are all Slytherins:


Crest of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizadry (Syltherin House crest upper right).

The Hogwarts Latin motto translates as "Never tickle a sleeping dragon".

Or, to put it another way:

The Secret People is a poem by G. K. Chesterton, most of which is jingoistic dross, but the "hook", the refrain is great:

Smile at us, pay us, pass us; but do not quite forget;
For we are the people of England, that never have spoken yet.

It's my impression that a quiet revolution has happened over the past couple of weeks and the Syltherins of this world had better watch out.



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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  Doc Watson on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:00 am

I think some reports in British papers have compared it to the start of the Profomo affair and how in the end it caused the demise of Maacmillian , but that was nearly 50 years ago.

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:03 am

As much as I dislike Cameron, people hoping for his downfall better be careful what they wish for. He may be a conservative tosspot, but the majority of his Tory collegues in the Cabinet appear to be more right-wing. If he did go now, we would probably have Prime Minister Hague for the next 4 years.

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Post  eddie on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:09 am

^

MacMillan was an old-fashioned "One Nation" Tory: quite a decent bloke in his paternalistic officer-class way. Even my old dad liked MacMillan.

The new breed of Tory are graduates of the ""Is He One of Us" Thatcherite school: vicious, unscrupulous and corrupt bastards, for all their Old Etonian airs and graces.

Sooner or later Londoners will wake up to the monster behind Boris Johnson's "I'm just an amiable upper-class idiot" Bertie Wooster mask.

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Post  eddie on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:13 am

Clarence LeRoy Van Cleef wrote:As much as I dislike Cameron, people hoping for his downfall better be careful what they wish for. He may be a conservative tosspot, but the majority of his Tory collegues in the Cabinet appear to be more right-wing. If he did go now, we would probably have Prime Minister Hague for the next 4 years.

...and the position of the Lib-Dems in the event of such a coup would be.....?

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:16 am

eddie wrote:^
Sooner or later Londoners will wake up to the monster behind Boris Johnson's "I'm just an amiable upper-class idiot" Bertie Wooster mask.

Well the election isn't too far away. Boris or Ken... Lucky London. Laughing

The one (and there is only one!) thing I can say in Boris' defence is that he very much seems his own man - much in the way the London Mayor should be. He isn't just a 'yes' man for his party. The way he nearly weekly pisses off Cameron and co is highly amusing.

But yeah, a tosser nonetheless.

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Post  Nah Ville Sky Chick on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:19 am

Vote for Ken

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Re: The UK Con-Dem Coalition government

Post  Lee Van Queef on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:21 am

eddie wrote:
Clarence LeRoy Van Cleef wrote:As much as I dislike Cameron, people hoping for his downfall better be careful what they wish for. He may be a conservative tosspot, but the majority of his Tory collegues in the Cabinet appear to be more right-wing. If he did go now, we would probably have Prime Minister Hague for the next 4 years.

...and the position of the Lib-Dems in the event of such a coup would be.....?

No idea, it would depend on so many things. For starters, would the Tories still be willing to continue with the Coalition Agreement and would they want to change direction of the Government? If they did want to change things policy wise, then I presume the LDs would leave, meaning there would be a minority Tory Government then possibly another General Election.

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:24 am

Nah Ville Sky Chick wrote:Vote for Ken

I guess that is who I would vote for. Which would certainly be the most uncomfortable vote I would ever have made. Actually, no I couldn't bring myself to do it.

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Post  Lee Van Queef on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:35 am

Nah Ville Sky Chick wrote:Vote for Ken



To be fair, Ken working for the Sun is no biggie considering he also works for the (Holocaust denying) Iranian State TV channel! clown

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Post  eddie on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:44 am

Nah Ville Sky Chick wrote:Vote for Ken

If Livingstone wins and he does only ONE thing during his term of office- he reverses the insane Johnsonian policy of closing Tube Ticket Offices (AGAINST which the Old Etonian cunt campained when he was standing for office)- he will have performed an essential service for Londoners.

Let me describe my day at work:

Stalled train at Farringdon knocks out the Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith & City Lines during the morning peak.

Any customers with a Pay-As-You-Go Oyster card who tapped in at Aldgate station were automatically deducted between £4-6. There is no train service and, quite naturally, they want their money back. BUT they can't get their money back because the fucking Ticket Office is closed.

Transport for London last year trousered £53 MILLION in "Unresolved" Oyster Card journeys incurred in the course of situations such as the one described above.

Boris KNOWS that the system is unworkable but because TfL is trousering £53 million a year by robbing the punters, he's not going to change it. It dovetails nicely with Tory thinking about reducing staff numbers and decimating Union membership on the network.

Make no mistake, these people are rotten to the core.

Nash, is Ken campaigning on a "Keep Ticket Offices Open" platform? If so, he'll walk the election.




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