Controversy over "Jewish music"

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Controversy over "Jewish music"

Post  pinhedz on Sat May 14, 2011 12:45 pm

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Ernest Bloch wrote musical works with titles that were ostentatiously Jewish sounding, like Schelomo, Baal Shem, Suite Hébraïque, Avodath Hakodesh, and others. Critics came at him from various angles. Some Jewish critics assessed that he didn’t get the Jewish music right--didn’t capture the spirit.

But some gentile critics had a very different angle. At least one argued that Bloch’s music could not be Jewish, because Jewish music did not--and could not--exist. Why not? Because the jews, not having a homeland, lived only in counties that already had a distinct culture of their own, so Jewish culture could only consist of bits and pieces of these other cultures.

The subtext is obviously a belief that had been taught to Christians until recently--that the Jews were condemned by God to wander the earth until the end of time without ever finding a homeland--or a culture--of their own.

So here is a clip of Bloch’s Baal Shem suite. How’s it sound?




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I've just read that Smoooove Criminal hates Jews. So tread carefully.


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John Zorn does the same with his different Masada - groups (Masada, Masada Trio, Electric Masada).
I love how he manages to create a very vital form of experimental funky jazz from the idea of making 'radical jewish music'.

Defintely worth checking out!


pinhedz

Zorn reminds me of this:



This one has video:




pinhedz

twood50785 wrote:... tread carefully.
I'm just a natural born trouble maker, born to be banned.


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"Bien sûr nos mirroirs sont intègres
Ni le courage d'être juif, ni l'élégance d'être nègre,
On se croît mêche, on n'est que suif."

- Jacques Brel


pinhedz

"l'élégance" means "coolness" -- yes?


pinhedz

In the music criticism from Bloch's time, I often find Jewish music confounded with "orientalism." One critic said that, since there is no such thing as "Jewish music," all Ernst Bloch is displaying is "a touch of orientalism."

Another critic, after condemning a performance of Bloch's music as cacophanous and painful to listen to, mentioned that the performance received loud applause from the audience "who were mostly of the oriental persuasion."

Did that reviewer mean to imply that the audience were Jewish?

Anyway, here's Rostropovich with the last movement of "Schelomo:"




Hosni

Some of the finest jewish music has been released by the collective known as The Beastie Boys.


pinhedz

Some Jewish music is written by non-jewish composers, like "Kol Nidre" by Max Bruch.



During the Nazi era, Bruch's music was never played because "Kol Nidre" created suspicion that he might be Jewish. So the Germans have completely forgotten Bruch, even though his violin concerto and "Scottish Fantasy" are popular in the US.

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Re: Controversy over "Jewish music"

Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:25 pm

Eho so sorrree Rod Carew, Hashem says matrilineal descent, shikker jartsoof tahat jiffa. LOL. Haman shanks a goyim!

Im hayu samim et hamo'ach shelcha b'tarnegol, hu haya ratz yashar l'shochet! Laughing

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Re: Controversy over "Jewish music"

Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:55 am

The possible real reason Mahler converted is that a goy shikker is a lot easier to handle than golems & dybbuks & adjustable rates & mandatory personality disorders. Still, Jill, a lot to give up, yup. Heaven loves you. The clouds part for you. Nothing stands in your way when you're a jew. Clothes always fit you. Life is a pop of the cherry when you're a jew. When you're a jew you can wear a uniform. When you're a jew other jews check you out. You get a jewess. These are your favourite things when you're a jew. Uncage the colours. Unfurl the flag. Luck just kissed you hello when you're a jew. They'll never clone you. You're always first on the line when you're a jew. When you're a jew you can buy a home of your own, learn to drive and everything. You'll get your share when you're a jew, you know?


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:27 pm


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