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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 4:38 am

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Catherine wrote:I wish it was as simple as me being a lunatic

You want everyone to become Amish- yes, you are a loony, it's that simple.

no, it's not that simple, boyo.....

you = luv cars

me = love future

you = dead soon

me = long live Catherine!!!!!

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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 4:40 am

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pinhedz wrote:There is video of Bin Laden boasting about how he pulled off 9-11, so a not-guilty plea wasn't really and option.

From what I've read, he has at some point both denied and admitted to it.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten

Notice it says nothing about 9/11 on there.

People confess to things they didn't do all the time anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession

I shot your grandmother last week

oops....... Embarassed

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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Thu May 05, 2011 4:42 am

Catherine wrote:no, it's not that simple, boyo.....

you = luv cars

me = love future

you = dead soon

me = long live Catherine!!!!!

not sure if serious

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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 4:44 am

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Catherine wrote:this new kill them and ask questions later trend doesn't instill much confidence in me

doesn't instill much confidence in me about the age-old 'innocent until proven guilty' ethos of every decent judicial system
There is video of Bin Laden boasting about how he pulled off 9-11, so a not-guilty plea wasn't really and option.

don't you see - we all knew that Saddam Hussein was a murderous tyrant

but every human being whether evil or good

cannot be killed on a whim

there has to be some rule of law, some process of ascertaining guilt/innocence whatever

we can't go around killing people because we don't like them and we've all decided that they're not allowed in the playground anymore

justice would become a farce if we just shoot the 'bad people'.....

it seems so obvious to me.......heheheheh


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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 4:46 am

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Catherine wrote:no, it's not that simple, boyo.....

you = luv cars

me = love future

you = dead soon

me = long live Catherine!!!!!

not sure if serious

you wouldn't happen to be Hosni would you - pulling a fast one

more wishful thinking on my part I love you

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Post  pinhedz on Thu May 05, 2011 4:47 am

Catherine wrote:there has to be some rule of law, some process of ascertaining guilt/innocence whatever ...
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout--video of Bin Laden describing how he pulled off 9-11.

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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Thu May 05, 2011 4:50 am

we should all live in a fairy tale land...

alter your lifestyle to fit my absurd fantasy!

if you don't you don't care about the world

i do not know what a period is for

fukk america






How is my impression coming along so far?

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Post  pinhedz on Thu May 05, 2011 4:52 am

Captain Hi-Top wrote:
pinhedz wrote:There is video of Bin Laden boasting about how he pulled off 9-11, so a not-guilty plea wasn't really and option.

From what I've read, he has at some point both denied and admitted to it.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten

Notice it says nothing about 9/11 on there.

People confess to things they didn't do all the time anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession
The video was not a confession or a public statement. It was a home movie, made--not for public consumption--at an Al Qaeda cocktail party.

It was also on this video that he said "Given the choice between a weak horse and a strong horse, who would not chose the strong horse?"

In other words, people will follow the dude who kicks ass the best (he's talking about his followers--and he ain't the strong horse).

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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 4:55 am

don't be stupid Pinz

there needs to be a system in place (and actually there is one)

we all know (apparently) that Osama bin Dead Recently was guilty of the crimes and murders he was accused of

but you can't just kill people like him as they have done

if you really want to kill him then you should put him before a court

otherwise where does it end.......

we just willy-nilly assassinate people

I am an anarchist at heart (just for the cathartic effect of it)

but really there has to be a rule of law

American people these days seem to think that it's OK to just bomb the hell out of people that they've decided they don't like

(apparently the Israelis do that too - but I'd need to be convinced of that)

what teh fuk is going on with all these extra-judicial assassinations......

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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 5:00 am

Captain Hi-Top wrote:we should all live in a fairy tale land...

alter your lifestyle to fit my absurd fantasy!

if you don't you don't care about the world

i do not know what a period is for

fukk america

How is my impression coming along so far?


I'm just waiting for the moment when you reveal that you're not some kind of, how to say this politely.....

dumb ass.......

you can copy my style but you'll never replicate it......

should be

I love la-la-land

come live in my agrarian wonderland

fuk dystopian America and Honda and Toyota

especially Toyota......

tutti frutti - I luv America......!!!

I got ya ass, America - we're bros

(actually your impression was very considered and apposite......yeah, it really was)








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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Thu May 05, 2011 5:10 am

pinhedz wrote:The video was not a confession or a public statement. It was a home movie, made--not for public consumption--at an Al Qaeda cocktail party.

It was also on this video that he said "Given the choice between a weak horse and a strong horse, who would not chose the strong horse?"

That doesn't prove anything, though. In fact, if anything, it's less reliable than an actual confession.

That said, if Osama had wanted a fair trial he wouldn't have had his goons fire upon Navy SEALs. Too bad for him.

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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 5:14 am

is your body ready.......?

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Post  Blondie on Thu May 05, 2011 5:47 am

Catherine wrote:

I don't care about the store shelves - I believe in growing food (including coffee) in your local community

in fact, I think I might take a vow of silence and celibacy

and go and have a farm in Africa....get a gun.....grow some vegies and coffee beans.......and shoot the next person I see

only kidding.......

I believe in local produce......I don't care about international travel (such an indulgence)......I reckon we could come up with something better than fairy carts - but if that's all you got - good for you

I believe that most of the buses in Sydney are petrol free

you think you're pretty clever, don't you - but there's one thing you're missing and that's the ability to imagine a world where muck and filth are not the currency of life

good for you

And what about medicine? Clothing? Going to boil some chicken bones and eat leaves to heal yourself and family? Sewing a wardrobe from your own organic sheep's wool? Most climates aren't fit for growing things like coffee, tea and a lot of fruits. Not everyone lives where they can farm. Being completely self-sustaining is a cute idea, but not feasible for most people.

That's nice for Sydney, but do those petrol-free buses make runs to the outback for those that live in the rural areas?

I consider myself clever, yes and I can imagine a world that is all giggles and rainbows, but I'm a realist.

Now onto that vow of silence...when can we expect that to go into effect? sunny

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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 5:55 am

yeah, it's just such a predictable argument for a gal that wants to tap Alaska........hehehhee

I can just imagine you on your deathbed......family gathered around (if any of them bother to show up)

with an intravenous drip.......

you and your ugly oil mentality are far removed from my pure ideas of the world, it's true

you're obviously a realist.......

how far that will get you I don't know

but you sure think you're clever, don't you

you're just one shit-ass-kickin' bitch - I'm really scared......

oh, fuk off - if you don't want a world where people live in peace

with a sustainable future

I guess you're a dime a dozen

probably meet a few more like you tomorrow

great to be a realist - means you have no new ideas

I wasn't talking about everyone being self-sustaining - that's just a dream I have for myself

the rest of you can go fuk up the planet and wreck the world

it's just arranging deckchairs on the Titanic

if I ever find someone that dreams of a future free from human pollution (no offense)

maybe I'd reconsider my vow of celibacy......

I'm probably gonna shut up now - so, yes, I will be silent forever more - like fukking hell




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Post  Blondie on Thu May 05, 2011 5:58 am

Catherine wrote:oh, fuk off - if you don't want a world where people live in peace


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Post  ISN on Thu May 05, 2011 6:03 am

just another yahoo........

you're quite the pleasant and sort of kind of girl that you'd want to get to know aren't you

boastful, proud, arrogant

all the kind of qualities that we like to see in people

and yeah, I'll fukkin get peace whatever way I see fit

so fuk off

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Post  Blondie on Thu May 05, 2011 6:16 am

I really don't understand your personal attacks, but they say more about you than they do me. My point in all this was, that until there is a cheaper and more readily available energy source, gasoline is the only option most people have. If you can live without it, that's great and I do mean that, but the majority of us can't. Peace out

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Post  pinhedz on Thu May 05, 2011 6:28 am

Catherine wrote:but you can't just kill people like him as they have done ...

if you really want to kill him then you should put him before a court
Not everyone makes it to court. Panetta said that had Bin Laden raised his hands and surrendered, he would have been taken prisoner. But "Dead or Alive" means what it says (and yes, you can just do that).

Catherine wrote:otherwise where does it end.......

we just willy-nilly assassinate people
I think that's what we call "war," and we crossed that line a long time ago (actually, it was Al Qaeda that crossed it--with a sneak attack, a series of sneak attacks, come to think of it).

Catherine wrote:American people these days seem to think that it's OK to just bomb the hell out of people that they've decided they don't like
No, we don't do that just because we "don't like" certain people.

Catherine wrote:Don't be stupid, Pinz
Good advice--but difficult.


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Post  pinhedz on Thu May 05, 2011 6:31 am

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pinhedz wrote:The video was not a confession or a public statement. It was a home movie, made--not for public consumption--at an Al Qaeda cocktail party.

It was also on this video that he said "Given the choice between a weak horse and a strong horse, who would not chose the strong horse?"

That doesn't prove anything, though. In fact, if anything, it's less reliable than an actual confession.
Way wrong. Home movies are spontaneous and sincere; confessions are contrived, and always composed with an agenda.

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Post  pinhedz on Thu May 05, 2011 6:37 am

ANDY wrote:If there were a home video of me boasting about how I planned 9/11 ... etc.
Go on ... if there was, then what?

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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Thu May 05, 2011 6:39 am

pinhedz wrote:Way wrong. Home movies are spontaneous and sincere; confessions are contrived, and always composed with an agenda.

Negative brah...How do you know he was telling the truth? Especially with that quote you quoted...why wouldn't he take credit for something like that to win the confidence of his followers? Maybe you don't do it, but lots of people lie.

However I believe he probably did orchestrate it.

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Post  pinhedz on Thu May 05, 2011 6:58 am

Yes--the old "I am Spartacus" trick.

So, how would you tell them apart? I reckon the answer would start with water boarding (for those that are taken alive) and go downhill from there.

A lot like someone going through airport security and saying "I got a bomb--just kidding."

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Post  Blondie on Thu May 05, 2011 7:02 am

Even if Bin Laden didn't orchestrate the attacks, he'd want us to think he did. His guilt isn't even an issue here. He did it, he's dead. End of.

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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Thu May 05, 2011 7:05 am

Blondie wrote:
Captain Hi-Top wrote:Why the fuck do people pretend the President has ANY power over gas prices?

Because he does. Obama has stopped allowing drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and won't allow us to tap Alaska. Will the oil in those two places last us 1000 years? Probably not, but it would help in the mean time.

You're acting like the actual supply of oil has anything to do with the price and that the oil companies aren't simply charging lots of money because they can and they like money.

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Post  pinhedz on Thu May 05, 2011 7:07 am

ANDY wrote:
pinhedz wrote:
ANDY wrote:If there were a home video of me boasting about how I planned 9/11 ... etc.
Go on ... if there was, then what?

The point is quite obvious I think: you could have a dozen home video's of people laughing their ass off about how they staged this historic drama. Unless one of them talks about the event in such explicit detail that he displays a much more profound insight into the actual events than all others - what criterium would you have to tell one a part from the other?

Just for the sake of convenience: this is a purely abstract question - I don't have much reason to doubt that the late OBL has had a hand in the events of 9/11.
Calling it a "home movie" might not be the best characterization. It was more of an archival/documentary sort of thing for posterity, and no one was "laughing their ass off." Bin Laden was describing how various planners had relatively modest expectations from the attacks on the twin towers, and that he was one of the few who believed the towers would actually collapse.

I also think that he was right in his assessment of his followers: "Given a choice between a strong horse and a weak horse, who will not chose the strong horse?"


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