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Bin Laden is dead

Post  Doc Watson on Mon May 02, 2011 4:02 pm

It was announced by Obama today. It is an historic moment . I doubt many people will shed tears over it. However there are people saying that Sara Palin has denounced it as a hoax but I think that could well be a joke.


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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Mon May 02, 2011 4:45 pm

Doc Watson wrote:However Sara Palin has denounced it as a hoax.

You can't be serious...you just read the comment at ER that was clearly a JOKE, and wrote it here without the punchline as if it were actually true...

Anyway;


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Post  eddie on Mon May 02, 2011 8:34 pm

Bin Laden killed in US operation

02 May 2011


Osama bin Laden has been killed in a US operation (AP)

Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted man, is dead, US president Barack Obama has announced.

The man who was the inspiration for countless acts of terror from the September 11 outrage to the July 7 London bombings was killed in a US operation in Pakistan.

He was holed up not in the mountains of Afghanistan but in a two-storey house a stone's throw from a Pakistani army base in Abbottabad, about 50 miles from the capital Islamabad.

President Obama said: "A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability.

"No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian causalities. After a firefight they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body."

David Cameron welcomed the development, saying it would "bring great relief to people across the world". He said: "It is a great success that he has been found and will no longer be able to pursue his campaign of global terror."

Jubilant crowds flocked to the White House and to Ground Zero in New York where the twin towers of the World Trade Centre stood until they were destroyed by two hijacked jets on September 11, 2001.

Relatives of al Qaida victims welcomed the news. Nigel Thompson, who worked as a stockbroker with Cantor Fitzgerald in the World Trade Centre, died at the age of 33.

His father Norman, from Sheffield, said: "I'm pleased, definitely. It doesn't bring our son back - we've lost him. People talk of closure. There's no such thing as closure because we have it every day. It's one of those difficult things. It would bring justice, definitely, but certainly no closure. It's an every day trial for us."

Amid the general relief there were warnings of a possible backlash from bin Laden's supporters. John Gearson, Reader in Terrorism Studies and Director of the Centre for Defence Studies at King's College London, said: "There will be concerns that there could be some sort of retaliation, that al Qaida may well want to demonstrate that they are still strong and still in the game."

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Post  LaRue on Mon May 02, 2011 8:44 pm

Oh god, we're screwed! affraid

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Post  eddie on Mon May 02, 2011 9:10 pm

LaRue wrote:Oh god, we're screwed! affraid

I've just lost a long and considered post on this thread, in which one of the points I raised was the inevitability of reprisals and how much more difficult this is going to make my job over the coming months.

But I'm buggered if I'm going to type it out all over again.

The late creep wasn't worth it.

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Post  eddie on Mon May 02, 2011 9:49 pm

British embassies on high alert

02 May 2011


Foreign Secretary William Hague warned British embassies around the world that elements of al Qaida were 'still in business'

British embassies around the world have been put on heightened security alert amid concerns of possible reprisal attacks by al Qaida following the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Foreign Secretary William Hague said that elements of al Qaida were still "in business" and they would need to be vigilant for "some time to come".

"This is not the end of being vigilant against al Qaida and associated groups," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

"There may be parts of al Qaida that will try to show that they are in business in the coming weeks, as indeed some of them are.

"So I have already this morning asked our embassies to review their security to make sure that vigilance is heightened and I think that will have to be our posture for some time to come."

Earlier, the US State Department also put American embassies on alert and warned of the heightened possibility for anti-American violence after bin Laden's killing by US troops in Pakistan.

In a worldwide travel alert released shortly after President Barack Obama announced bin Laden's death in a US military operation, the department said there was an "enhanced potential for anti-American violence given recent counter-terrorism activity in Pakistan".

"Given the uncertainty and volatility of the current situation, US citizens in areas where recent events could cause anti-American violence are strongly urged to limit their travel outside of their homes and hotels and avoid mass gatherings and demonstrations," it said.

The alert said US embassy operations would continue "to the extent possible under the constraints of any evolving security situation".

It noted that embassies and consulates may temporarily close or suspend public services, depending on conditions.

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Post  Doc Watson on Tue May 03, 2011 12:09 am

Captain Hi-Top wrote:
Doc Watson wrote:However Sara Palin has denounced it as a hoax.

You can't be serious...you just read the comment at ER that was clearly a JOKE, and wrote it here without the punchline as if it were actually true...

Anyway;

Have you never made a mistake ? Let him or her who is without sin amomg us cast the first stone.

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Post  precinct14 on Tue May 03, 2011 12:53 am

[quote="Doc Watson"][quote="Captain Hi-Top"]
Doc Watson wrote:
Have you never made a mistake ? Let him or her who is without sin amomg us cast the first stone.

Oo-er! Laughing

Perhaps we should launch a thread in your honour, Doctor Emu, entitled 'Gullible's Travails'. What do you think?

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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 03, 2011 12:58 am

The lesson here for all of us is that one should always be careful not to jump to conclusions. geek

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Post  tatiana on Tue May 03, 2011 1:33 am

[quote="precinct14"][quote="Doc Watson"]
Captain Hi-Top wrote:
Doc Watson wrote:
Have you never made a mistake ? Let him or her who is without sin amomg us cast the first stone.

Oo-er! Laughing

Perhaps we should launch a thread in your honour, Doctor Emu, entitled 'Gullible's Travails'. What do you think?


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lol! lol!

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Post  eddie on Tue May 03, 2011 1:39 am

Salamity Jane wrote:I love it how they seemed to have dumped the body overboard as soon as possible. A feast for conclusion jumpers, I'd say. Suspect

The conclusion-jumpers could be mistaken, in this instance:

1. Impossible to bury/cremate such remains on dry land without establishing a 'martyr's' shrine.

2. Islamic custom requires burial within something like 24 hours of death, so "as soon as possible" was actually appropriate here.

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Post  eddie on Tue May 03, 2011 1:47 am

I found President Obama's repeated use of the personal pronoun 'I' in the announcement of OBL's death disappointingly unstatesmanlike: the words of a politician unpopular in the polls.

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Post  eddie on Tue May 03, 2011 1:53 am

When all is said and done, what was the alternative?

It's impossible to imagine the circumstances in which the usual arrest-and-trial process could have realistically taken place.

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Post  eddie on Tue May 03, 2011 2:04 am

I've seen no news reports indicating just how long OBL had been holed up in this compound, close to a Pakistan army base.

If the move was a recent one, the Pakistan Intelligence Service should be congratulated.

If he's been there for the past 10 years, the question inevitably arises of collusion by the Pakistan authorities (or some of them) in his concealment.

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Post  tatiana on Tue May 03, 2011 2:13 am

I tend to agree with LaRue


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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 03, 2011 2:57 am

Bin Laden said: "Given the choice between a strong horse and a weak horse, who would not choose the strong horse?"

In other words, everyone loves a winner--which is really not true in the West, we like to root for underdogs, come from behind, seize victory from the jaws of defeat, and all that.

But Bin Laden wasn't talking about westerners, he was talking about his followers, and saying that they would choose the strong horse. conversely, they will desert a sinking ship like rats.

And there's another angle that western observers always overlook--finance.

Terrorists are not unpaid volunteers inspired by ideology--they cost a lot of money (even the suicide bombers earn a big pot of money for their next of kin). Bin Laden comes from one of the richest families in Saudi Arabia, and he was a very successful businessman and fund-raiser. If the flow of money is interrupted, Al Qaeda will whither in short order.

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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 03, 2011 3:01 am

eddie wrote:If the move was a recent one, the Pakistan Intelligence Service should be congratulated.
The US gub'mint kept the operation secret from the Pakistani gub'mint. Suspect

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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Tue May 03, 2011 3:56 am


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Post  Blondie on Tue May 03, 2011 5:32 am

I find all the dancing in the streets type celebrations ridiculous. I am very glad that OBL is dead, even more glad that his demise came at the hands of the US Navy SEALs but I won't be cheering in the streets. I will be making silly posts with dancing on his grave type images and links Razz

Fuck you, Al Qaeda! Suck it, terrorists!



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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Tue May 03, 2011 5:45 am

ANDY wrote:It's been quite a while since so many people have been so happy over one good old-fashioned murder.
And after the Arabian spring, we've now found our Arabian Franz Ferdinand?

God, I can't tell you how excited I was for the pseudo-intellectual tryhards to show up in this thread. Excellent post!

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Post  Blondie on Tue May 03, 2011 6:18 am

The officials photos haven't been released (don't know if they actually will be) but the above photo has already been deemed a hoax and has been circulating the interwebs long before the announcement of yesterday.

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Post  LaRue on Tue May 03, 2011 6:33 am

When I was a kid I was absolutely TERRIFIED of Osama. I remember my parents explaining to me about terrorists and about him on 9/11 and he felt so big frightening. I couldn't believe that people that bad still existed and I hated seeing pictures of him in newspapers and stuff, I just found him really scary. I was only 8, bless. But now he's gone! It's quite weird.

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Post  Dick Fitzwell on Tue May 03, 2011 8:42 am

ANDY wrote:What does it mean for a part of the world that is so proud of its fight for human-rights to be overcome with joy for a murder?

If you think killing an enemy in a war is murder then you really need to grow a pair.

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Post  pinhedz on Tue May 03, 2011 9:28 am

When will Al Jezeera come out with the new Bin Laden tape, in which he declares that he is still alive, and that the US commandos attacked a childrens' hospital?

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Post  Doc Watson on Tue May 03, 2011 10:53 am

I hope it can help to bring closure for those families who lost somebody in September 11.

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