Our pop generation reaches and spreads itself, grasping for the unattainable

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Our pop generation reaches and spreads itself, grasping for the unattainable

Post  pinhedz on Sun May 01, 2011 1:52 am

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Hosni

When you pretend the essence of music is in the notational aspect, while all but ignoring timbre (a defining feature of music from the Recording Studio Era), well that's a bit silly.


Goat Smith

I made it until he said 'curious'. Then I went out looking for a pony to shoot in the face.


Hosni

Consider how important the gigantic plate reverb was to the sound of Elvis' Sun recordings, or the particular sound of the axe and amp of Hendrix, or the unique way the Beach Boys' voices converge - those things wouldn't be found in a musical score.

There's also the fact that pop music is often loaded with cultural or subcultural signifiers, also hard to notate.


pinhedz

Goat Smith wrote:I made it until he said 'curious'. Then I went out looking for a pony to shoot in the face.
LB is clearly conflicted. He knows he's peddling a product that young people aren't buying, and that without young fans, classical music is doomed. And he knows that before he can push his product, he has to push music appreciation, and before he can do that, he's has to get on the kids' good side somehow.

In other words, he has to pander. But he isn't willing to tell the young people that they know diddley-squat about music, he's telling them that they don't. But he panders by telling them they have something special just by virtue of being young. Their primitivism is inspired, they're uncorrupted by the diseases of the establishment. Their purity and faith will save the world.

But he undercuts his own story line by using as an example a song with daring key changes and complex structure (not primitive), but which doesn't rock. Maybe he couldn't get Bob to do the show.


Goat Smith

I could never say what you said the way you said it. The guy in the info mertial doesn't know what he is saying and doesn't care otherwise. I say things the way I accept them to be.
The world is full of research and opinions.


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Re: Our pop generation reaches and spreads itself, grasping for the unattainable

Post  Dick Fitzwell on Sun May 01, 2011 4:18 am

If you watched this video without knowing anything about music in 1967 you would think it was fucking awful. He didn't even bother to address any of the popular bands that were actually experimenting musically and sonically like The Who and the Jimi Hendrix Experience and Cream and Pink Floyd (all of which blow away the Beatles and the Stones). They were too loud, I guess.

Ten years later you have this:





I wonder if that's sophisticated enough for him.

Rock music is, and always has been, about making a band with your buddies and just rocking the fuck out. Rock music is fun. It's also sad, joyful, funny, depressing, uplifting, etc. But it's always fun, because it's making music with your friends. That element is missing in jazz and classical music, where you have the perfect ensemble of perfectly technical and perfectly trained musicians who have no chemistry together and no heart and no love of music but can do dazzling things with their instruments.

It's mind blowing what a couple of friends in high school can achieve when they have a couple instruments and something to say.

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Re: Our pop generation reaches and spreads itself, grasping for the unattainable

Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu May 26, 2011 12:27 pm

Er, there's a lot of jazz that has a "making music with your friends" quality. Having skill doesn't mean one can't have fun. It does take practice though.

To earlier Topic points, one of the reasons I admire Pete "The Cheat" Townshend is that he had a solid blues foundation but he was also able to incorporate some classical structure and harmony into his compositions without it always coming across as stupid, bloated, and proggy.

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