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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:02 am


will try giving them a call

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:23 am


while someones told CNN that Turmp and Obammer were told about the kompromat and Russian Hooker Piss Parties (RHPP), that doesn't mean it was the intelligence folk who told CNN - so for Turmp to liken our intelligence community to Nazis, that seems a bit unproductive

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/us-intelligence-trump-dossier-leak

CNN identified the source as "multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings"
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Post  pinhedz on Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:57 pm

If you can't believe BBC correspondent Paul Wood, who can you believe? Shocked

If you can't believe nameless, unnumbered multiple multiples, WHO CAN YOU BELIEVE? Neutral
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:21 am


Special Agent Steele's special Orbis report does seem a bit dodgy, but CNN's report that "multiple government sources" said the Steele Report was summarized and presented to Turmp, Obammer, and the Gang of 8 - this was corroborated by Director Clapper and Turmp himslef.

CNN had a legit news story - that parts of The Orbis Report were summarized in intelligence briefings to our fearless leaders - as opposed to BuzzingFeed which just published the entire alleged Orbis Report, with little explanation.  Turmp then conflated CNN and BuzzingFeed and treated the CNN guy at the first ballyhooed press conference like this:

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:33 pm

Alotta folks are getting the wrong idea from CNN because CNN said that the IC considered both the Brit investigator and his sources "credible." So folks basically now believe that the Brit investigator's finding are part of the IC assessment.

This is CNN's fault. So it's also their fault that Trump is calling them "fake news."

If they want to be treated like respsonsible journalists, they should be more responsible in their reporting. bounce
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:52 am


CNN could've handled The Orbis Report better, I agree, but to be fair, here's the first two paragraphs of the original CNN story:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

The allegations were presented in a two-page synopsis that was appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible.
The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.
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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:01 am

To be more fair, there's this:

"Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago."

FAKE, FAKE, FAKE
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:23 am



the news is what "multiple US officials" told CNN. So the news is real, even if what the "multiple US officials" told Cable News Network is erroneous. I think people who follow the news regularly by actually reading stuff (and those who are not just blind partisans) know that much of "the news" is "political leaking wars" - it's the same thing with Sporting News and Entertainment News, the first thing you ask is what the agenda is of this source






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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:12 pm

Multiple sources reported that the IC briefed Trump on the Brit report. There is no mention of "multiple sources" claiming credibility. In fact, "multiple sources" say the FBI is still investigating the credibility.

Therefore, the following claim (note that there is no mention of sources, multiple or otherwise, here) is made up: "What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago."

So--it was "included in the presentations" and that means it must be "credible enough" to be included. A very wrong conclusion to jump to (and to report).

CNN also said that the summary was included as an addendum to the IC report because Trump might want to know what's circulating--regardless of credibility--so that's the real reason it was included. CNN also said that ("multiple sources" notwithstanding) they don't know if the addendum was actually briefed--only that it was appended to the report--so it's possible Trump heard it first on CNN. Shocked
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:02 pm


NBC reported the great Jim Comey told Dump about The Orbis Report right after the meeting, to be more sensitive to The Dumpster.

As to the gumpy CNN paragraph, the Jake Tapper I know would not include that unless it was based on a government source. Tho it is possible that Carl Bernstein could’ve lurched to that supposition, especially the 2017 version of Carl Bernstein. Crying or Very sad

What I am curious about is why a summary of The Orbis Report was included in an official intelligence briefing - the rationale given was to provide Presidente Dump a complete picture of assorted bullshit pertaining to him - but this seems dubious as everyone in Washington and the news media, even including interns at Star Wars Gossip, had read the Orbis Report months ago - so certainment Team Drump would’ve known about the document? But regardless, they could’ve told Dump about it in such a way that the summary didn’t go to the leaky Congresso Intelligence Club.

As a consultant for Copperhead Security Solutions, maybe you could provide insight to these boffo procedures …

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:19 pm

Sometimes high-level policy makers complain "Why am I learning about this for the first time from the newspaper?" That means they want a heads-up before the do-do hits the press. It does NOT mean that the do-do has any credibility.

Anyone reading the CNN story would conclude that the IC had evaluated the Brit retiree's "vast network" of credible sources (just a bunch of dropped names and source citations that mimic his old job) and concluded that his report had credibility. Shame, shame, shame. The Donald was fully justified in treating the CNN loudmouth the way he did.

I am now defending Trump, a disgusting BS-er and trash talker--BECAUSE OF CNN's DESPICABLE CRIMES AGAINST HONEST REPORTING--that's what it has come to. Shocked

We used to think that we could rely on CNN to be relatively objective compared to Fox, but those days are over. Now they both suck big bananas. bounce
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:06 am

It does NOT mean that the do-do has any credibility.

but they don't have to tell the president and also give a copy to Congress, which makes it seem like they were ulterior motives..

CNN shame shame shame

tho if the leak were politically motivated, it is possible the government source fed that embellishment to CNN

anyhoow, the evening the CNN story broke, Team Turmp had Kellyanne Conway make numerous TV appearances (NBC, CNN) angrily claiming the entire CNN story was made up, and that Donald never heard anything about the Orbis Report ... later Donald forgot about that strategy and let slip that he was indeed briefed about the Orbis Report - that's some kooky messaging

but Sangeet said all that guff was a distraction from the conflict of interest stuff that is super concerning to OGE Shaub





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Post  pinhedz on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:38 am

Someone has to say this--Adele and Beyonce are the same color.
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Post  pinhedz on Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:17 am

I should give up my job so that someone who really needs it can have a job.

But no one is qualified. Neutral
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Post  pinhedz on Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:43 am

Yakima Canutt wrote:
The idea that Ghost in the Shell is inherently a work of Japanese science fiction is a key complaint. Written by Masamune Shirow, it first debuted in manga form back in 1989. The series, as part of the then-burgeoning cyberpunk genre, explores globalization, the body, and consciousness in the postmodern world through the lens of technology. The narrative challenges commonplace notions about what might make a human being identifiable as a person. However, the setting never varies. The Major is Japanese. Even though the cityscapes she explores are futuristic and multicultural, they have their foundations in Japan. And the relationship the series has to technology is Japanese. (And don't forget that anime characters are typically identified as Japanese.) Casting a Caucasian woman as the Major (whose given name is actually Motoko Kusanagi) ignores those facts.

Now, a reasonable argument might assert that properties that have their roots in Asian cultures have crossed over in American adaptations without issue. What about Godzilla? What about Oldboy? What about The Departed, a.k.a. Infernal Affairs? Why can’t a Ghost in the Shell from the States tackle the same quandaries from an American perspective?

Tsuei would argue that a movie like that would no longer be Ghost in the Shell.

Jon Tsuei ‎@jontsuei
The manga came out in 1989, the first film 1995. An era when Japan was considered the world leader in technology.

Jon Tsuei ‎@jontsuei
Everything hot in that era came out of Japan. Cars, video games, walkmans, all of that. Japan was setting a standard.
7:41 PM - 14 Apr 2016

Jon Tsuei ‎@jontsuei
This is a country that went from poised to conquer to the Pacific to forcibly disarmed. They poured their resources into their economy.

Jon Tsuei ‎@jontsuei
And as a country that was unable to defend themselves, but was a world leader in tech, it created a relationship to tech that is unique.
7:43 PM - 14 Apr 2016

Jon Tsuei ‎@jontsuei
Ghost In The Shell plays off all of these themes. It is inherently a Japanese story, not a universal one.
7:44 PM - 14 Apr 2016


Jon Tsuei ‎@jontsuei
This casting is not only the erasure of Asian faces but a removal of the story from its core themes.

Jon Tsuei ‎@jontsuei
You can "Westernize" the story if you want, but at that point it is no longer Ghost In The Shell because the story is simply not Western.
7:48 PM - 14 Apr 2016
lot of that makes no sense. How can anyone claim a "removal of core themes" without seeing the movie first?

All of that might make more sense were it not for the fact that "Ghost on a Shell" appropriates a book by Arthur Koestler and a Hollywood movie (Robocop).

As for Kusinagi's look--it's not even a human body so how could it be Japanese?

kusinagi's face is just a faceplate:

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Post  pinhedz on Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:45 am

"Cultural appropriation," of "core themes," much? Shocked

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_in_the_Machine



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The idea that Ghost in the Shell is inherently a work of Japanese science fiction is a key complaint. Written by Masamune Shirow, it first debuted in manga form back in 1989.
Right after "Robocop."
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:16 pm


wow, I didn't realize how familiar with you are Ghost in the Shell's various incarnations.

It didn't invent The Ghost in the Machine trope - but get ready for it, it explored the concept from a Japanese perspective.  Whoa!

The views of @jontsuei are not necessarily my own, but they are the valid perspective of a younger Asian American (yes, genuine Japanese will have a different perspective - I actually posted a youtube clip on that topic on this very website - typical Canutt evenhandedness), just like your views are the valid perspective of Predictably Bitter Older White Man.
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Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:42 pm

Actually, pinhedz calm and objective observations are fully consistent with Yakima's.

The movie is taking a bit of a beating with a lot of thumbs down on youtube.

Also, the critics are saying that it is a thing of beauty, but shallower than a comic book.
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:04 pm


@jontsuei might be guilty of over-intellectualizing a simpler sentiment that boils down to "we don't see many Orientals in Hollywood movies, so when they adapt an Oriental property, it would be nice if they starred Orientals."

I posted another clip by The Son of John Landis in which he explained that major motion pictures are financed based on a small handful of stars and starlets ... so if one wanted an H-wood adaptation of Shell Ghosts starring an unknown Oriental, then it would have to cost more like 27 million instead of 100+
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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:24 pm

Krampus wrote:
major motion pictures are financed based on a small handful of stars and starlets

how this picture was put together:



producer: I have Denzel and Wahlberg, and I don't mean Donnie.

financier: Will there be guns?

producer: Yes guns.  I can call it TWO GUNS.

financier: I can give you 60 plus 20 for marketing.

producer: Done.
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Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:28 pm

Yakima Canutt wrote:
@jontsuei might be guilty of over-intellectualizing a simpler sentiment that boils down to "we don't see many Orientals in Hollywood movies, so when they adapt an Oriental property, it would be nice if they starred Orientals."

I posted another clip by The Son of John Landis in which he explained that major motion pictures are financed based on a small handful of stars and starlets ... so if one wanted an H-wood adaptation of Shell Ghosts starring an unknown Oriental, then it would have to cost more like 27 million instead of 100+
That seems logical--and $100+ million vs $27 million is consistent with pinhedz calculations.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:55 pm


which is not to say that Scarlet Jo is 4 times better than a Cookie Kobashigawa, but rather that customers prefer products they have some familiarity with, which is also why a "Frosted Flakes 3D: The Motion Picture" will get the go-ahead even when no one asked for it.  



to which Justice Twitter responds "why can't Cookie Kobashigawa be a star?" and that is a thornier question.
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also FYI, if one claims to be a Vulcan, that means one is using logic and detachment to suppress murderous rage.


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