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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:02 am


will try giving them a call


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:23 am


while someones told CNN that Turmp and Obammer were told about the kompromat and Russian Hooker Piss Parties (RHPP), that doesn't mean it was the intelligence folk who told CNN - so for Turmp to liken our intelligence community to Nazis, that seems a bit unproductive

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/us-intelligence-trump-dossier-leak

CNN identified the source as "multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings"

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:57 pm

If you can't believe BBC correspondent Paul Wood, who can you believe? Shocked

If you can't believe nameless, unnumbered multiple multiples, WHO CAN YOU BELIEVE? Neutral

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:21 am


Special Agent Steele's special Orbis report does seem a bit dodgy, but CNN's report that "multiple government sources" said the Steele Report was summarized and presented to Turmp, Obammer, and the Gang of 8 - this was corroborated by Director Clapper and Turmp himslef.

CNN had a legit news story - that parts of The Orbis Report were summarized in intelligence briefings to our fearless leaders - as opposed to BuzzingFeed which just published the entire alleged Orbis Report, with little explanation.  Turmp then conflated CNN and BuzzingFeed and treated the CNN guy at the first ballyhooed press conference like this:


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Post  pinhedz on Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:33 pm

Alotta folks are getting the wrong idea from CNN because CNN said that the IC considered both the Brit investigator and his sources "credible." So folks basically now believe that the Brit investigator's finding are part of the IC assessment.

This is CNN's fault. So it's also their fault that Trump is calling them "fake news."

If they want to be treated like respsonsible journalists, they should be more responsible in their reporting. bounce

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:52 am


CNN could've handled The Orbis Report better, I agree, but to be fair, here's the first two paragraphs of the original CNN story:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

The allegations were presented in a two-page synopsis that was appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible.
The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:01 am

To be more fair, there's this:

"Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago."

FAKE, FAKE, FAKE

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:23 am



the news is what "multiple US officials" told CNN. So the news is real, even if what the "multiple US officials" told Cable News Network is erroneous. I think people who follow the news regularly by actually reading stuff (and those who are not just blind partisans) know that much of "the news" is "political leaking wars" - it's the same thing with Sporting News and Entertainment News, the first thing you ask is what the agenda is of this source







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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:12 pm

Multiple sources reported that the IC briefed Trump on the Brit report. There is no mention of "multiple sources" claiming credibility. In fact, "multiple sources" say the FBI is still investigating the credibility.

Therefore, the following claim (note that there is no mention of sources, multiple or otherwise, here) is made up: "What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago."

So--it was "included in the presentations" and that means it must be "credible enough" to be included. A very wrong conclusion to jump to (and to report).

CNN also said that the summary was included as an addendum to the IC report because Trump might want to know what's circulating--regardless of credibility--so that's the real reason it was included. CNN also said that ("multiple sources" notwithstanding) they don't know if the addendum was actually briefed--only that it was appended to the report--so it's possible Trump heard it first on CNN. Shocked

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:02 pm


NBC reported the great Jim Comey told Dump about The Orbis Report right after the meeting, to be more sensitive to The Dumpster.

As to the gumpy CNN paragraph, the Jake Tapper I know would not include that unless it was based on a government source. Tho it is possible that Carl Bernstein could’ve lurched to that supposition, especially the 2017 version of Carl Bernstein. Crying or Very sad

What I am curious about is why a summary of The Orbis Report was included in an official intelligence briefing - the rationale given was to provide Presidente Dump a complete picture of assorted bullshit pertaining to him - but this seems dubious as everyone in Washington and the news media, even including interns at Star Wars Gossip, had read the Orbis Report months ago - so certainment Team Drump would’ve known about the document? But regardless, they could’ve told Dump about it in such a way that the summary didn’t go to the leaky Congresso Intelligence Club.

As a consultant for Copperhead Security Solutions, maybe you could provide insight to these boffo procedures …


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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:19 pm

Sometimes high-level policy makers complain "Why am I learning about this for the first time from the newspaper?" That means they want a heads-up before the do-do hits the press. It does NOT mean that the do-do has any credibility.

Anyone reading the CNN story would conclude that the IC had evaluated the Brit retiree's "vast network" of credible sources (just a bunch of dropped names and source citations that mimic his old job) and concluded that his report had credibility. Shame, shame, shame. The Donald was fully justified in treating the CNN loudmouth the way he did.

I am now defending Trump, a disgusting BS-er and trash talker--BECAUSE OF CNN's DESPICABLE CRIMES AGAINST HONEST REPORTING--that's what it has come to. Shocked

We used to think that we could rely on CNN to be relatively objective compared to Fox, but those days are over. Now they both suck big bananas. bounce

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:06 am

It does NOT mean that the do-do has any credibility.

but they don't have to tell the president and also give a copy to Congress, which makes it seem like they were ulterior motives..

CNN shame shame shame

tho if the leak were politically motivated, it is possible the government source fed that embellishment to CNN

anyhoow, the evening the CNN story broke, Team Turmp had Kellyanne Conway make numerous TV appearances (NBC, CNN) angrily claiming the entire CNN story was made up, and that Donald never heard anything about the Orbis Report ... later Donald forgot about that strategy and let slip that he was indeed briefed about the Orbis Report - that's some kooky messaging

but Sangeet said all that guff was a distraction from the conflict of interest stuff that is super concerning to OGE Shaub






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