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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:37 pm

well, as you all know, I caption TV shows......

this is in literature because Neighbours keeps mentioning classic and not so classic books

today it was Atonement by Ian McEwan - Summer was seeing all kinds of parallels to her life as she had to write an essay on the book

recently - they juxtaposed Summer (the intelligent depressing cow) with Tash (the conniving stupid bitch) by the books they were reading

just before the fire......that burnt down Summer's house.....heheheheh Wink

Andrew Robinson (Paul's son) was in the bedroom the two twits were sharing

he noticed that Tash was reading Jane Eyre - typical he thought Rolling Eyes

then he saw what Summer was reading - The Sociopath Next Door.....and he expressed satisfaction that Summer was so clever and 'out there' Razz

it's funny how they use book titles/themes as shorthand for people's sorry problems and characters in this awful show

what next? Paul Robinson mentioning Machiavelli......heheheheehe Razz

but rather than just have a thread about Neighbours

I thought people could post other tales of TV shows/characters discussing/mentioning works of literature.......

it's very common I think......

I bet Eddie could name one or two

I expect Pinz or someone will probably start a thread trying to compete with me - along the lines of cinema/TV in Literature.....hehehe Razz

art devours itself eventually......

and my plate seems a bit bare........

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Post  felix on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:06 pm

Montgomery Clift in 'From Here To Eternity' was ragged by the other guys in his barrack room for reading 'that dirty book' Ulysses.

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:15 pm

really? that's great.....it is a bit of a dirty book.....as far as I've heard.....toilet stuff, stinky knickers (Hosni mentioned that)

thanks Felix Smile

where does cinema stop and literature stop and art stop and TV too (God help me - I don't watch it)

one of my favourite movies (I've read the book too) - The English Patient

has Ralph Fiennes carrying round an old worn copy of Heroditus.....(his vade mecum....that's my show-off phrase)

the Sikh in teh movie also engages with teh patient when he reads Kipling......as Fiennes instructs him on punctuation (wrongly as it happens)

and the Sikh guy mockingly reads the slaughter by the British imperialists......pausing for effect

it seemed so romantic.....when romance itself was romantic

now romance is not quite so romantic as it used to be........ Neutral

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:22 pm

good post Andy - facts of which I was hitherto ignorant

without seeming to go from the sublime to the ridiculous

recently on Teh Bold and Teh Beautiful

Taylor (the 'cougar') was discussing the Oedipus complex......Shocked

might seem a bit high-brow for Bold - but, no, Bold is not just about fascist fashion and who's sleeping with whom....it's about art, culture, philosophy........

fashion....... Neutral

and more fashion Neutral

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:42 pm

ANDY wrote:Marlon Brando does an interesting reading of T.S. Eliot's The hollow men in a deleted scene from Apocalyps now - a delivery which is sadly ruined in part by an all too present musical score, it would have been better if it was just Marlon reading.
I believe you can find the clip on YouTube - or I will look it up later.

There are more T.S. Eliot-quotes in Apocalyps now, of course: 'I should have been a pair of ragged claws scutteling across the floors of silent seas' - what a line! -, ...

I bet Father Ted has referenced T S Eliot, Dylan Thomas or Yeats......heheheh......Razz

Eddie will know for sure.......

I really hope the show has referenced a great work of literature.......

after all, Homer Simpson does it all the time......

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:44 pm

my memory is not robust enough to quote some or many or any literary/cinematic crossovers......

I'm only hoping you lot can come up with the goods.........

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Post  eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:29 pm

Catherine wrote:I bet Father Ted has referenced T S Eliot, Dylan Thomas or Yeats......heheheh......Razz

Eddie will know for sure.......

I really hope the show has referenced a great work of literature

The episode in which Father Jack (apparently) dies after overdosing on Toilet Duck- is it "New Jack City"?- sees Ted and Dougal conducting an all-night vigil over his 'corpse', in the course of which Ted recites the final paragraph of James Joyce's short story from Dubliners, "The Dead".

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:44 pm

I knew I could rely on you, Eddie......... Laughing



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Post  pinhedz on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:51 pm

How about books that movie characters are seen to be reading?

Jonathan Rhys-Meyers is seen reading "Crime and Punishment" in the Woody Allen movie "Match Point." It sort of gives away the movie plot--until the switcheroo when Porfiry Petrovich fails to get his man.

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:57 pm

completely over my head, Pinz.......

a good contribution (as though I have half an idea what you're on about scratch )

never really liked Woody (what an unfortunate name)

after I heard about his predilection for young girls......(namely his daughter affraid)

but thank you

I can see there's a lot of life left in these old bones Embarassed

I mean this young thread......

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Post  eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:00 pm

Always liked the cinema queue scene in Annie Hall in which Woody Allen confounds the loudmouth pontificating about "The Global Village" by producing Marshall McLuhan in person to tell the bore that he's talking drivel.

Punchline: "Don't you wish real life was like this?"

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:02 pm

that was a good moment.......(from the vast deposits of my hazy memory)

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:23 pm

Catherine wrote:...after I heard about his predilection for young girls......(namely his daughter affraid)
Soon-Yi Previn--adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Andre Previn. She was no kin to Woodrow and was full-grown (22) at the time. She married Woodrow in 1997.

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Post  ISN on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:32 pm

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Post  Constance on Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:36 am

pinhedz wrote:
Catherine wrote:...after I heard about his predilection for young girls......(namely his daughter affraid)
Soon-Yi Previn--adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Andre Previn. She was no kin to Woodrow and was full-grown (22) at the time. She married Woodrow in 1997.

Pinz, the suit was brought against Woody for alleged abuse of his daughter, Dylan, who was about 10 at the time.

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:21 am

Yeahbut--that's not proved and the charges were dropped (Dylan was 7, not 10).

And the pictures of Soon-Yi were taken when she was 22.

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Post  Doc Watson on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:14 pm

Last night on Neighbours "Pride And Prejudice" was mentioned.
Later in the Simpsons Marge was reading "Eat Pray Love".

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Post  Constance on Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:55 pm

In To Live, the Chinese movie I saw yesterday, during the part of the movie that deals with the 1960s, there's a scene where everyong is toting Mao's Little Red Book. Not that that qualifies as literature.

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Post  Doc Watson on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:47 am

Constance wrote:In To Live, the Chinese movie I saw yesterday, during the part of the movie that deals with the 1960s, there's a scene where everyong is toting Mao's Little Red Book. Not that that qualifies as literature.
I bought it in 1968 and never read it !

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Post  Doc Watson on Tue May 03, 2011 11:29 am

Last night in Neighbours Summer was trying to write an essay on Atonement

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Post  ISN on Wed May 04, 2011 1:11 am

if you'd read the original post of the thread - you would have realised that I captioned that show in advance and mentioned the reference to Atonement

no worries.....

today in Days of Our Lives.....hehehehe

Justin commented on Hope's melancholy pose

saying she looked like she could be in Edward Hopper's diner.....hehehehe

and in Tron which Torin watched again last weekend, the android is sharing her wonder at the 'real' books that Jeff Bridges has in his digs.....

Jeff's son looks at the authors' names - Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky......

the android.....hehehe....says that Jeff Bridges is going all buddhist and teaching her to lose her ego........but she ain't fallin' for that bullshit......and asks the guy if he knows Jules Vernes......

he says 'sure'

she gets a bit confused and says - what's he like?

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Post  felix on Wed May 04, 2011 1:22 am

Ray Bradbury's 'Fahrenheit 451' was about the burning of books (the temperature at which paper burns apparently). The book burners were the fire brigade of this ugly future world. I can't recall which books featured in the film of the book, but obviously a number of well known tomes were incinerated.



EDIT: IMdB comes to the rescue:

Among the books burned by the firemen is the film journal "Cahiers du Cinema" for which director Francois Truffaut wrote. Pictured on the cover is a picture from À bout de souffle (1960), written by Truffaut. Also among the books burned is "The Martian Chronicles" and "Fahrenheit 451" itself, both written by Ray Bradbury

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Post  ISN on Wed May 04, 2011 1:37 am

nice one, Felix

which prompts my memory of Equilibrium - the movie - which has a future where all literature and art have been banned and a couple of resistance fighters - like teh gorgeous Christian Bale......but mostly Sean Bean have hidden away works of art for posterity.......

also mentioned in the apocalyptic crap fest - 2012 - works of art that are to be preserved for the post apocalyptic (after the flood) world......

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Post  Doc Watson on Wed May 04, 2011 10:36 am

Catherine wrote:if you'd read the original post of the thread - you would have realised that I captioned that show in advance and mentioned the reference to Atonement
I did , but this was a different episode.
In last night's episode some one was reading SAS A survival Guide

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Post  pinhedz on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:09 am

What Dylan says looks pretty bad:

"What’s your favorite Woody Allen movie? Before you answer, you should know: when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.

For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didn’t like. I didn’t like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didn’t like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didn’t like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didn’t like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out. I would hide under beds or lock myself in the bathroom to avoid these encounters, but he always found me. These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldn’t keep the secret anymore.

When I asked my mother if her dad did to her what Woody Allen did to me, I honestly did not know the answer. I also didn’t know the firestorm it would trigger. I didn’t know that my father would use his sexual relationship with my sister to cover up the abuse he inflicted on me. I didn’t know that he would accuse my mother of planting the abuse in my head and call her a liar for defending me. I didn’t know that I would be made to recount my story over and over again, to doctor after doctor, pushed to see if I’d admit I was lying as part of a legal battle I couldn’t possibly understand. At one point, my mother sat me down and told me that I wouldn’t be in trouble if I was lying – that I could take it all back. I couldn’t. It was all true. But sexual abuse claims against the powerful stall more easily. There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child.

After a custody hearing denied my father visitation rights, my mother declined to pursue criminal charges, despite findings of probable cause by the State of Connecticut – due to, in the words of the prosecutor, the fragility of the “child victim.” Woody Allen was never convicted of any crime. That he got away with what he did to me haunted me as I grew up. I was stricken with guilt that I had allowed him to be near other little girls. I was terrified of being touched by men. I developed an eating disorder. I began cutting myself. That torment was made worse by Hollywood. All but a precious few (my heroes) turned a blind eye. Most found it easier to accept the ambiguity, to say, “who can say what happened,” to pretend that nothing was wrong. Actors praised him at awards shows. Networks put him on TV. Critics put him in magazines. Each time I saw my abuser’s face – on a poster, on a t-shirt, on television – I could only hide my panic until I found a place to be alone and fall apart.

Last week, Woody Allen was nominated for his latest Oscar. But this time, I refuse to fall apart. For so long, Woody Allen’s acceptance silenced me. It felt like a personal rebuke, like the awards and accolades were a way to tell me to shut up and go away. But the survivors of sexual abuse who have reached out to me – to support me and to share their fears of coming forward, of being called a liar, of being told their memories aren’t their memories – have given me a reason to not be silent, if only so others know that they don’t have to be silent either.

Today, I consider myself lucky. I am happily married. I have the support of my amazing brothers and sisters. I have a mother who found within herself a well of fortitude that saved us from the chaos a predator brought into our home.

But others are still scared, vulnerable, and struggling for the courage to tell the truth. The message that Hollywood sends matters for them.

What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?

Woody Allen is a living testament to the way our society fails the survivors of sexual assault and abuse.

So imagine your seven-year-old daughter being led into an attic by Woody Allen. Imagine she spends a lifetime stricken with nausea at the mention of his name. Imagine a world that celebrates her tormenter.

Are you imagining that? Now, what’s your favorite Woody Allen movie?"

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