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Post  pinhedz on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:54 am

Lots of bad news and bad memories, but I'm having a difficult time linking the cause (breaking the labor unions) to the effect (loss of industry).

In the simplistic model of "The Good Woman of Szechuan," the practices of the evil twin led to exploitation and suffering for the workers, but the factory prospered. The practices of the Good Woman provided relieve to the workers, but the factory went bust.

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Post  eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:05 am

It would be silly to suggest that Trade Union Reform wasn't needed at the time. But creating 3 million unemployed as an instrument of social policy was just plain vindictive.

I remember the Thatcher years most for the fact that this was the only time in my life that I have physically starved.

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:19 am

The evil twin also seemed vindictive, that's not inconsistent with the simplistic model.

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Post  eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:36 am

Hunger is not easily borne, and- volatile though I might be on occasions, I'd like to think I'm a reasonable person- I'm not going to forgive her for that.

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Post  eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:15 am

One line in Elvis Costello's song puts the whole thing in a nutshell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BZIWSI5UQ
Tramp the Dirt Down- Elvis Costello

...viz: "Try telling him the subtle difference/Between justice and contempt."

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Post  pinhedz on Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:19 am

eddie wrote:Hunger is not easily borne, and- volatile though I might be on occasions, I'd like to think I'm a reasonable person- I'm not going to forgive her for that.
Nobody forgave the evil twin either, but the factory prospered even while people starved. That's why I'm still trying to figure out what killed the manufacturing sector.




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Post  eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:37 am

^

We're in Bob Dylan territory here:

It's much cheaper down
In the South American towns
Where the miners work almost for nothing

If global events since 2008 have proved nothing else, it's that the present global economic model doesn't work.




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Post  pinhedz on Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:21 am

eddie wrote:
It's much cheaper down
In the South American towns
Where the miners work almost for nothing
In other words, break the unions and manufacturing should prosper.

And, based on Bob's reasoning (which was also Brecht's), factories should be joyfully humming away in England.

But evidently those factories are not humming. Does that mean that both Bob and Brecht had it all wrong? Is their model the present economic model of which you speak?

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Post  eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:22 pm

^

Crikey! Now you're asking. I'm not an economist, so this is way beyond my field of expertise.

I know enough to be aware that previous attempts to create economic utopia have all ended in tyranny. At the same time, something has to be terribly wrong with a system that rewards CEOs with millions for failure, while at the same time half the world lives on the breadline.

Andy might be able to provide some answers.

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Post  eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:29 pm

pinhedz wrote:In this film, it's her colleagues in her own party that come off the worst. Were they really such whining, vacillating pipsqueaks?

For the most part, the so-called "wets" in Thatcher's first cabinet were old-style 'one nation' MacMillanite conservatives, decent enough people by their own lights and open to compromise. That's why she got rid of them.

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:15 am

eddie wrote:^

Crikey! Now you're asking. I'm not an economist, so this is way beyond my field of expertise.

I know enough to be aware that previous attempts to create economic utopia have all ended in tyranny. At the same time, something has to be terribly wrong with a system that rewards CEOs with millions for failure, while at the same time half the world lives on the breadline.

Andy might be able to provide some answers.
The dilemma is presented very starkly (albeit simplistically) in "The Good Woman of Szechuan."

When the good woman runs the factory, she treats the workers with compassion, and the enterprise goes into debt (Bob would point out that the cost of employee benefits and salaries drives up the price of the products, so oversees producers can make the same products cheaper--tariffs are supposed to alleviate this problem).

Then the evil cousin takes over, oppresses and exploits the workers, and the factory prospers.

I was waiting to see "How is Brecht going to get us out of this?" He then presented his solution just as simplistically as he presented the problem--and what a disappointment it was. He assumed that with collective ownership all human greed would magically disappear. Neutral

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Re: Last film I saw

Post  pinhedz on Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:01 am

I just saw this movie about common human folly--all the more depressing for being so realistic:


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Post  pinhedz on Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:06 am

The mystery and suspense part was not bad, but then it turned into a stinker by getting are righteous and moralistic. The hero does "The Right Thing," which any hollywood writer knows means taking the story to the press. Rolling Eyes


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Post  pinhedz on Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:28 pm

I just saw Madonna's movie about Wallis and Edward--"W.E." The actress who plays Wallis is so perfect she's indistinguishable from the real Wallis in the newsreels. Bertie comes off as a dithering milquetoast.

But the real main characters are a fictional modern-day researcher (named Wally by her parents after the duchess), and Wally's Russian boyfriend Evgeniy Prokopov, a refugee intellectual and pianist working as a security guard.

Wally sometimes intrudes herself into the flashbacks to Wallis and Edward's time, which always annoys Wallis. Laughing


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Re: Last film I saw

Post  pinhedz on Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:36 pm

In the Library of Congress recording of this song, Willie McTell explains to Alan Lomax that he composed it in honor of "The redoubtable, the notable Edward Duke of Windsor:"


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Re: Last film I saw

Post  eddie on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:02 am

If you check out the "Memoirs of a Hollywood sex fixer" thread in the Cinema section, it is suggested by the eponymous pimp that the whole "Grand romance" was a sham. She a lesbian and he was gay.

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:06 am

I get it--the reason for the sham was to both cover up Edward's gayness and to help him shed the King job. queen

But it's much more romantic the way Willie McTell tells it. I love you I love you I love you

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:30 am

Wait a minute--Scotty Bowers says he was #3 in a series of threesomes with Wallis and Edward.

That doesn't sound like their romance was a sham.

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Post  pinhedz on Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:30 am

Of course the guy is a fabricator anyways.

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Re: Last film I saw

Post  woo on Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:46 am

'Amor, Dolor y Vice Versa'




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Chelo is an architect, withdrawing from her social life because of realistic dreams she's having of a romance with a strange man. She's convinced the man is real, out there, destined to be with her. She reports a rape to the police, describing the man of her dreams to a sketch artist. The police find a suspect: he's Marcos, a physician. Chelo tells the police this is not the man who raped her, but now she has Marcos in her sights. Her plan for him to fall in love with her is complicated by his having a fiancée. What can Chelo do? Meanwhile, Marcos has violent dreams about an unfamiliar woman. Chronologies overlap, glass breaks. Can a mind lie to itself? Written by <jhailey@hotmail.com>


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Yeah, this is a good one...

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Post  Guest on Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:34 pm



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Re: Last film I saw

Post  Guest on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:48 am

After watching "The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner" the other day
today I saw "Aguirre, the Wrath of God"



now I have to see the rest of Herzog's movies

Fiction feature films

Signs of Life (1968)
Even Dwarfs Started Small (1970)
Fata Morgana (1972)
Aguirre, the Wrath of God (1972)
The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser (1974)
Heart of Glass (1976)
Stroszek (1977)
Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979)
Woyzeck (1979)
Fitzcarraldo (1982)
Where the Green Ants Dream (1984)
Cobra Verde (1987)
Scream of Stone (1991)
Invincible (2001)
The Wild Blue Yonder (2005)
Rescue Dawn (2007)
Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans (2009)
My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done (2009)

Fiction short films

Herakles (1962)
Game in The Sand (1964)
The Unprecedented Defence of the Fortress Deutschkreuz (1966)
Last Words (1968)
Precautions Against Fanatics (1969)
No One Will Play With Me (1976)
Les Gaulois (1988)

Documentary feature films

The Flying Doctors of East Africa (1969)
Handicapped Future (1971)
Land of Silence and Darkness (1971)
The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner (1974)
How Much Wood Would a Woodchuck Chuck (1976)
Huie's Sermon (1980)
God's Angry Man (1980)
Ballad of the Little Soldier (1984)
The Dark Glow of the Mountains (1984)
Wodaabe – Herdsmen of the Sun (1989)
Echoes From a Somber Empire (1990)
Jag Mandir (1991)
Lessons of Darkness (1992)
Bells from the Deep (1993)
The Transformation of the World into Music (1994)
Gesualdo: Death for Five Voices (1995)
Little Dieter Needs to Fly (1997)
My Best Fiend (1999)
Wings of Hope (2000)
Wheel of Time (2003)
The White Diamond (2004)
Grizzly Man (2005)
Encounters at the End of the World (2007)
Cave of Forgotten Dreams (2010)
Into the Abyss (2011)

Documentary short films

La Soufrière (1977)
Portrait Werner Herzog (1986)
Christ and demons in New Spain (1999)
Pilgrimage (2001)
Ten Thousand Years Older (2002)
La bohème (2009)
On Death Row (2012) TV miniseries in four, hour-long episodes




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Re: Last film I saw

Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:07 am

Mick Jagger filmed part of Fitzcarraldo (1982), but then dropped out. Neutral

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Post  eddie on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:13 pm

pinhedz wrote:Mick Jagger filmed part of Fitzcarraldo (1982), but then dropped out. Neutral

Full story here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUh0diX3b-8

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