The Undiscovered Cosmic Nemesis, Episode XI : Beyond an Awakening Menace

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:04 am


yo soy a bit surprised to read this from Variety's Chief Critic Chang : "Risking heresy, it’s worth noting that Abrams actually did smarter, more inventive work on his 2009 reboot of 'Star Trek,' no doubt in part because he was working with a less heavily guarded enterprise. 'Star Wars,' at once a cultural juggernaut and a sacrosanct institution, resists any attempt to reimagine its landscape too aggressively or imaginatively; that may be to the detriment of this diverting first effort"

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:56 am

So Chang is saying he preferred Star Trek 11 because JJ made it so much like Star Wars, whereas Star Wars 7, JJ made that too much like Star Wars ...

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:15 am

Spoilers for Episode VII to follow.

When the original Star Wars came out you didn't need much political context - there was an Empire and there was a Rebel Alliance fighting against it. We knew the Empire was new-ish, because the Senate was disbanded during the course of the movie, but that was all you really needed to know. The bad guys looked like space Nazis and we were off to the races.

It turns out we might need slightly more political context for Star Wars: The Force Awakens - context the movie doesn't supply. But it turns out some of the now-canon tie-in books do, and I've spent a little while at Wookieepedia figuring out just what the hell is up with The Resistance and the First Order.

Why do we need some context? Because the last time we saw the Star Wars galaxy the Empire had fallen - see the celebrations in the streets of Coruscant in the Special Edition - but now we're right back in what looks exactly, completely like the political context of the first Star Wars movie. There's an evil Nazi-like Empire running around and there are good guy Rebels in a hidden base. Not only is like nothing changed since Jedi, it's like we went back in time to the first film. But it's not quite so simple.

A little history: the Galactic Civil War didn't exactly end with the Battle of Endor. While that was the decisive turning point, it seems to have gone on for one more year, with the final final battle happening at Jakku. The Rebels formed the New Republic while the shattered remains of the Empire limped out to the Outer Rim, where you can easily disappear. It's wild space out there. Think of it like the Nazis who escaped to Argentina.

The Rebels set up the New Republic and, for reasons that escape me, established their capitol in the Hosnian System, on Hosnian Prime. While I get that Palpatine probably stunk up Coruscant, that planet was the seat of power of the Old Republic as well - I don't quite know why they moved. Maybe it's so that when Starkiller Base blows up a planet it isn't Coruscant, even though the planet blown up in The Force Awakens looks, for all intents and purposes, like Coruscant.

While the New Republic was getting back into the business of being a democratic society - ie, a lot of bickering and fighting and stalemates and poltical nonsense - the shards of the Empire were reforming on the Outer Rim under the guidance of the mysterious Supreme Leader Snoke. Most in the New Republic ignore the growing menace of the First Order, but not Leia - after all, the Organas have a history of seeing bad shit coming down the pike. She pleads with the New Republic to deal with the FIrst Order, but everybody thinks she's overreacting; finally she's able to convince the powers-that-be to let her go off and lead a small resistance group which she then imaginatively names The Resistance. Basically this is like when the US sends advisors and some money and weapons to support an insurgent group in a communist (or now Islamic) country. The New Republic isn't fighting the war - the logo of The Resistance is pointedly the same as the logo of the Rebel Alliance, not The New Republic (which, to be fair, is pretty similar anyway) - but they're kind of fighting a proxy war led by Leia.

That's the basic set up; when The First Order blows up Hosnian Prime it's basically like a terrorist group going after the US because it has supported fighters in their home region. It's an extravagant move, of course, but The First Order, influenced greatly by the Empire, seems to think big.

When it's all laid out it's simple, but the movie really obfuscates it, leaving many people to scratch their head in confusion about the exact state of the galaxy at the opening of The Force Awakens. The true mystery - one that doesn't feel like a storytelling fumble - is just who and what Supreme Leader Snoke is. It seems clear that his recruitment of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren was a turning point in the struggle for The Resistance - this must be why they need Luke Skywalker so badly. But what role Snoke played in the formation of the First Order and how he turned Ben Solo are stories that remain to be told. The rest of this stuff was simply inconveniently hidden in books (many of them young reader novels, no less!).

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:11 pm

you shouldve spent a bit more time at the Wookiepaedia.

Unlike its predecessor, the New Republic's capital was not based on Coruscant, but instead on its member worlds on a rotating basis, chosen through an election.

The capital happens to be on Hosnian Prime during the activation of the Starkiller Base.


With heavy losses following the Battle of Jakku, the Empire was forced to sign the Galactic Concordance with the Republic on Coruscant, bringing an end to the Galactic Civil War, and ensuring a Republic victory. The peace treaty imposed strict rules on the remaining Imperial-held territories, disarming them and imposing harsh reparations. Much of the remaining Imperial forces retreated into the Unknown Regions, and the old Empire dissolved almost completely. As time went on, former Imperial officers and nobles began rebuilding the government into a faction that would be called the First Order.

As one its first acts following the signing of the the Galactic Concordance, the Senate passed the Military Disarmament Act which drastically cut the New Republic's military to a large, but limited in ability, peacekeeping force- an early goal of Mon Mothma's. The move was lauded by most who believed that the remaining Imperial hardliners posed no threat. Leia Organa disagreed and was sidelined from the New Republic's political process. Organa then formed the Resistance, a private military force which kept watch over the First Order's movements. Although she petitioned for assistance from the New Republic, the Senate was too self-absorbed to take much notice and its slow political process frustrated the former princess.

Some thirty years after the Emperor's defeat at Endor, a cold war developed between the growing First Order and the New Republic. Despite warnings from General Organa about the dangers of the First Order, the Senate, led by Chancellor Lanever Villecham focused more on improving trade relationships with the neutral Trans-Hydian Borderlands systems. Believing that the First Order was remaining within their assigned borders and following the tenants of the Galactic Concordance, the Senate and Chancellor Villecham saw little cause for alarm.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:56 pm


Chancellor Lanever Villecham, in happier times



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:52 pm

SPOILING WANRING


so the leading theory is that Rey is Luke's daughter and that Rey was hidden on Jakku for her safety following The Massacre at Luke's Jedi School or whatever ...

But when Baby Luke was hidden on Tatooine, he was left with his kindly auntie while, as we learn from Rey's Mystical Vision inside Maz Kanata's Castle, Little Rey is left with Unscrupulous Jakku Junk Dealer Unkar Plutt (Simon Pegg) who is prone to acts of violent criminality ... and it seems irresponsible to leave a child with someone like Unkar Plutt



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:58 pm

think about it dude, probably isn't a coincidence that Lor San Tekka, Church of the Force adherent, is living on Jakku...



Another one who could've been looking out for Rey was Constable Zuvio


Brave Constable Zuvio, left on the cutting room floor

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:10 am

Yakima Canutt wrote:so the leading theory is that Rey is Luke's daughter and that Rey was hidden on Jakku for her safety following The Massacre at Luke's Jedi School or whatever ...
I thought the leading theory was that Rey can't be Luke's daughter because it's too obvious that she's obviously Luke's daughter. Suspect

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:21 pm

most Theory Rankings have put Luke's Daughter at #1 (not sure what Vegas has concluded) maybe in part because so far, the new trilogy has been Rather Obvious.

However, if Episode VIII wants to ape Episode V, in the way Episode VII apes Episode IV, then it stands to reason that Episode VIII will contain a plot twist such as the sucker punch delivered by Episode V back in 1980 ...

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:21 pm


ehrem, what possible twist could there be?


she's really a Kenobi?   zzzzzzzzzz

she's really Han's and Leia's kid but they decided to disown her (even if this was for her protection, the story logic doesn't add up)

she's really a Palpatine?  not bloody likely

she's really a Snoke?  Shocked


so unless Kathleen Kennedy is out of her gourd, Rey is either :

1. Luke's daughter

2. just some chick


and if you were crafting the followup to the Franchise of Franchises, do you think you'd go for option #2 ?




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:30 pm


Option #2 is not impossible - JJ Abrams has said he doesn't want Star Wars to just be about genetic Übermenschen or a particular bloodline, i.e. Die Skywalkers, and he thinks the specialness of Force can touch lotso peoploids




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:28 am

Yerbuts, if it's so obvious that she's Luke daughter, why wouldn't they come out and say it by the end of film? that is, if they now make the audience wait 18 months just to tell them what seems obvious ... that's not quite premium fan service is it

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:39 am


but as we noted, there are oodles of bit players in the SWarsverse, but there aren't that many primary players from which to form gene pools

so unless New Lucasfilm is going to throw a fork-ball out of left field in Cuckoosville Stadium...

ehrem, wha - it turns out Rey is Admiral Ackbar's daughter and she was surgically modified before being dropped off on Jakku?




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:59 am


one can't help but feel for the likes of Constable Zuvio or Sarco Plank - so close to their big break, action figures already filling up the Targets ... only to not make the film's final cut


Sarco Plank, available in quite large quantities wherever fine figurines are sold

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Post  pinhedz on Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:31 pm

Yakima Canutt wrote:Yerbuts, if it's so obvious that she's Luke daughter, why wouldn't they come out and say it by the end of film?  that is, if they now make the audience wait 18 months just to tell them what seems obvious ... that's not quite premium fan service is it  

She doesn't talk like Luke. bounce

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:44 pm

Could very likely have lost her accent being left on Jakku at such a young age.

I believe the filmmakers thought about how they could justify Rey having an England accent, and that is why Unkar Plutt, who takes her when she is first left on Jakku, that is why Unkar Plutt is played by Simon Pegg, who is using a funny voice, but it is still a funny England voice.



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Post  pinhedz on Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:48 pm

Yakima Canutt wrote:Could very likely have lost her accent being left on Jakku at such a young age.

I believe the filmmakers thought about how they could justify Rey having an England accent, and that is why Unkar Plutt, who takes her when she is first left on Jakku, that is why Unkar Plutt is played by Simon Pegg, who is using a funny voice, but it is still a funny England voice.
Simon Pegg was not speaking Coruscanti. Who speaks Coruscanti on Jakku? Only Rey. bounce

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:06 pm


It is possible Rey is Coruscanti, of Imperial lineage ... the Empire did make their final stand on Jakku.  But that Coruscanti accent angle is known only to devotees who read Expanded Universe novels and such.  Would Abrams and Kennedy be so esoteric?  Or was it that the actress they wanted happened to be from London ...



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:46 pm


BREAKING - DID ABRAMS JUST BEQUEATH CREDENCES TO THE ANTI-DAUGHTER BRIGADE?!


“What was important for me was introducing new characters using relationships that were embracing the history that we know, to tell a story that is new — to go backwards to go forwards. So I understand that this movie, I would argue much more than the ones that follow, needed to take a couple of steps backwards into very familiar terrain, and using a structure of nobodies becoming somebodies defeating the baddies — which is, again, I would argue, not a brand new concept, admittedly — but use that to do, I think, a far more important thing, which is introduce this young woman, who’s a character we’ve not seen before and who has a story we have not seen before, meeting the first stormtrooper we’ve ever seen who we get to know as a human being..."



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:05 pm


ehhk I am trying to quiet my mind and listen to the murmurings of a force, and it is just tuff for me to believe that Luke would leave his child with someone like Unkar Plutt  (and then factor in what Maz Kanata said about Rey's past being behind her)



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:12 pm


yeabbut who knows, maybe she was kidnapped by trandoshans before ending up in the Western Reaches


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But no matter what they hear or what they read, no one on the Broncos’ defense is expecting Roethlisberger to miss Sunday’s divisional playoff game.

“Ben, he kind of looks like Obi-Wan Kenobi. He tried to pull the Jedi mind trick on everybody,” Denver defensive end Antonio Smith told USA TODAY Sports. “’Oh yeah, I’m really hurt. I might not play.’ And then he comes in the game and tries to ball.”



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LATE BREAKER -  Star Wars: Episode IX Will Be Shot on Film, Not Digital

helmer Colin Trevorrow (Attack of the Dinosaur, Part IV) explains his decision to shoot on film instead of digital: “It’s a period film. It happened a long time ago.”

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SPOILED SCOOP EXCLUSIVE - CAPTAIN PHASMA DID NOT DIE IN A TRASH COMPACTOR ON STARKILLER BASE, SHE WILL BE RETURNING IN EPISODE VIII



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