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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:20 pm



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Ben has had arguably the most super career of amazing fantasy, portraying onscreen the Batman, Marvel's Daredevil (a blind, red-costumed, Catholic lawyer version of Batman), and Superman:




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:34 am



Mendelson's Money Talk

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice opened in seventeen international territories on Friday, including China, Japan, and the United Kingdom. Zack Snyder’s superhero sequel earned $67.2 million total from over 30,000 screens. Counting China’s second day gross of $22.6m, that gives the film an overseas cume of $137.9m. When you add in the $82.01m American debut on Friday, the film’s worldwide total is at a whopping $219.91m since Wednesday.

As noted elsewhere, the film opened in China with $21.22 million, which was the sixth biggest opening day for a Hollywood movie in said territory. The film went up just a touch to $22.6m on Saturday for a $43m two-day cume. It notched the biggest opening day of the year in the United Kingdom, earning $9m on 1,700 screens.

The other big key openers were India, Japan, and Taiwan. It notched the biggest Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. opening day of all time in India with $2.54 million on 1,372 screens. It opened with $1.2m in Japan on 718 screens, opening 73% higher than Man of Steel and 54% higher than The Dark Knight Rises. And it earned $905k in Taiwan.



In holdover territories, it made another $4.3 million in Mexico (despite soccer-related competition) for a $9.6m market cume. The film earned another $3m in Australia for a $7.4m cume there while fending off a World Cup national qualifier soccer match in Brazil to snag another $3m for a $6.6m cume. It earned $2.4m on 1,015 screens in Germany for a $5.1m cume.

The Ben Affleck/Henry Cavill/Gal Gadot picture earned $1.7 million in Korea on Friday for a $3.4m cume while it earned another $1.6m in Russia for a $3.6m cume. It has made $4.2m in Spain, $3.9m in France, $2.4m in Hong Kong, and $3m in Italy. There is no word on Israel yet, but I am curious since this film’s Wonder Woman is played by an Israeli actress.

With $219 million worldwide thus far, the picture is a sure bet to soar well above $300m worldwide by tomorrow, if not significantly higher. $350m is certainly within reach, but I don’t want to get too hyperbolic beyond that. Word of mouth on this thing is very much an unknown entity beyond anecdotal evidence, evidence which bends in both directions.

But, inflation and 3D bumps notwithstanding, the worldwide totals for Man of Steel, Batman Begins, and Superman Returns are $668 million, $374m, and $391m respectively. The last two Dark Knight movies topped $1 billion worldwide, but that’s a conversation for a much later date.



So the good news is that the notion of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman in the same film together clearly has worldwide appeal. The bad news, well, assuming audiences like this movie more than the critics do there really is no bad news. But if the film doesn’t have legs, and that’s a big “if” right now, Warner Bros. will be in a fascinating position since they will have successfully kick-started a new connected universe using a film (or two films?) that audiences weren’t all that hot for.

But for the moment, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a solid worldwide hit in terms of global debuts. That’s all that matters for now.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:48 pm


WHAT IS UP WITH THIS KIND OF SINGING WITH THE SINGER SOUNDING LIKE HAS A BROKEN JAW ... AM TIRED OF THESE SINGING STYLES THAT SOUND LIKE SINGER HAS VARIOUS BODILY INJURIES, AM FED UP, DO NOT LIKE, DO NOT LIKE




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:01 pm


the first X-Men film was OK, 16 years ago, but Bryan Singer is such a bloody bore. That last one had a midget with a mustache hangin out with Richard Nixon, yet even that couldn't redeem the dullsville proceedings.


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:07 pm

Zapruder wrote:but Bryan Singer is such a bloody bore.  


eh, the one with Tom Cruise as a noble Nazi was watchable

And then before that Singer did a film with Ian McKellen as a kooky old Nazi. Singer is one of those gay Jews who are into Nazis, I guess


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:29 pm


the X-Men films are now in prequel land, with McAvoy and Fassbender playing younger versions of Stewart and McKellen - as such they must take place in the 1970s or 1980s.  Or possibly the 1990s with the aid of wrinkle prosthetics.  The new one takes place in 1983.  I'm not sure if this one has an Evil Ronald Reagan to match the Evil Richard Nixon from the previous one.

note: Ronald Reagan appears in the "graphic novel" Dark Night Returns - his administration bosses around Superman don't ya know.


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:59 pm


While we are on the subject of non-MCU 20th Century Fox Marvel fare, I suppose we should say something about Fantastic Four '15- one of those pictures that isn't just bad but fascinatingly fantastically bad, as in, "good Lord, why does this exist?"

Given the level of talent involved both in front of and behind the camera, nobody should feel much joy — no anti-tentpole schadenfreude or blockbuster-busting righteousness — to discover that the latest Fantastic Four film is a catastrophe. True, a pall of corporate despair does hang over the enterprise. The film was allegedly rushed into production by Fox to keep the property’s rights from reverting back to Marvel, and the finished product bears all the hallmarks of hasty meddling and reshoots — complete with slapdash effects, structural problems, an early trailer filled with shots no longer in the movie, and even hair-continuity issues. But plenty of better movies have been made for dumber reasons, and studios futz all the time with these things. (Remember World War Z?) This thing, one suspects, went off the rails early, and hard.

The film starts in 2007, with our introduction to nerdy, introverted Oyster Bay kid Reed Richards and his tough pal Ben Grimm, as they spend their nights working on Reed’s “biomatter shuttle,” which will allow for human teleportation, using old video games and scrap metal from Ben’s family’s junkyard. It then moves forward to the present-day, as Reed (now played by Miles Teller) is spotted at a science fair and enlisted to join the Baxter Institute, a scientific think-tank run by Dr. Franklin Storm (Reg E. Cathey). There, he meets Storm’s kids, hyperintelligent computer whiz Sue (Kate Mara) and drag-racing free-spirit Johnny (Michael B. Jordan), as well the professor’s former protégé Victor Von Doom (Toby Kebbell). The idea is to use Reed’s know-how and the Baxter Institute’s resources to build a bigger, professional-grade version of the biomatter shuttle and teleport to a planet in another dimension — a “place that could explain the origin of our species … and answer questions we don’t know how to ask yet.”

But when the kids take the biomatter shuttle out for a test-run, things don’t quite turn out as expected. The unstable Planet Zero (which, with its awkward, fake sets, wouldn’t look out of place on an old Flash Gordon serial) isn’t exactly inviting. Victor is stranded back in the other dimension, presumed dead, while Reed, Johnny, and Ben (whom Reed had enlisted at the last minute to join them, for old times’ sake) escape just in the nick of time and are affected in different, horrifying ways. Ben has been turned into a sentient pile of rocks; Johnny is an eternal flame; Sue (who had stayed behind but was injured in an explosion when the others teleported back) is mostly invisible, hovering between being and nothingness. Compared to the others, Reed has gotten off easy: His body has gained the consistency and flexibility of rubber.

Here, you can catch fleeting glimpses of the film that Fantastic Four probably wanted to be. Most superhero stories acknowledge in passing that having superpowers can actually at first be scary, weird, and alienating. Director Josh Trank’s one previous feature credit was 2012's low-budget hit Chronicle, a grim, tonally deft found-footage movie that offered a refreshingly disturbing take on what a trio of teenage boys might really do if suddenly given superpowers. At first, it seems as if we might see something similar here. So, we dwell for a while on the horror of what’s happening to these kids, as well as the recrimination involved. The creepiest image in the film is that of Reed lying on an examining table, his extremities stretched out in unreal, disturbing fashion; the most moving moment involves Ben’s anger at Reed for effectively turning him into the Thing.

Unfortunately, the film winds up doing nothing with these ideas. Instead, it flashes forward a year, and we see, briefly, that Sue, Ben, and Johnny have been taught to harness their powers for military purposes, while Reed appears to have vanished off the face of the Earth. Even that idea doesn’t last too long, as the quartet is soon reunited for one last slapdash, climactic battle. (One guess as to whom it’s against.)

There’s a fundamental tonal dissonance at the heart of Fantastic Four. The awkward staging, cut-rate effects, and stilted dialogue might have worked alongside a fun, ridiculous story. (The recent Ant-Man, though more polished, has a bit of that B-movie spirit going for it.) Instead, we have a film that, at least at first, tends toward darkness, grief, regret, and stoic glares. The disconnect between cheesy surface and grim subtext is excruciating and often embarrassing.

But it’s not like the film seems to have any idea what to do with those dark ideas either. What happened to Teller and Jordan's charisma? At least the latter has an excuse: Once he becomes the Human Torch, he feels like he's barely there as an actor, with a cheap flame effect doing much of the heavy lifting, and the actor reduced to a few reaction shots and an occasional dialogue exchange. Teller, meanwhile, seems like he’s being used in exactly the wrong way: as a humorless, tormented, stoic nerd, deprived of his irreverence and unpredictability. Mara radiates intelligence, as usual, but gets virtually nothing to do, with much of her non-superhero time spent staring at a computer and yelling out technobabble. Jamie Bell, who plays Ben Grimm/the Thing, barely gets any screen time. (Is that even his voice?)

Without the stylistic conceit of Chronicle’s found footage to mask limitations and let the viewer’s imagination to do some of the heavy lifting, Trank is unable to put together any convincing action scenes; it's like somebody turned the lights on and revealed all the smoke and mirrors involved in the making of such films. One doesn't want to lay the blame entirely on the director, however, especially if the reports of extended reshoots and last-minute recutting are to be believed. Who knows how much of the film is actually "his" at this point? But it's hard to see how anything effective might have emerged out of this disaster at any point. The rot runs deep, and nobody is immune.



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:13 pm


Yep, from Miles Teller to Kate Mara to Reg E. Cathey, everyone on screen in "Fantastic Four" speaks in a flat, earnest monotone with a determinedly low-keyed air bordering on openly not giving a rip.

Well, it’s a choice. A boring one, but a choice. The film is genuinely listless as directed and co-written by Trank in a style to be named later. For a movie largely set on a planet ("Planet Zero") coursing with living, liquid energy, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a superhero movie more in need of a lie-down. When it’s not on Planet Zero, the special effects for which are the dullest sub-"Thor"-looking digital schmutz a medium-sized budget can buy, "Fantastic Four" confines its abnormally gifted youngfolk to what appears to be an industrial park warehouse somewhere in Baton Rouge, La. This may be because "Fantastic Four" was filmed largely in Baton Rouge, La.

Even the movie’s big gizmo, an inter-dimensional teleporter, is a snooze, a nothing to look at. Returning to the fold after his post-mutation walkabout, Teller’s character mutters: "You made it ugly." No kidding! Nothing in the staging, the production design, the digital effects or the words plopping out of the actors’ mouths carries any sort of wit or distinction in "Fantastic Four."

As an actor, Teller’s b.s. detector is so strong, he can’t bring himself to fully commit to the formulaic junk he’s stuck anchoring here. He doesn’t openly dog the assignment; he does, however, struggle to make any of the crises matter to an audience. But you can’t blame the messenger, or the messenger’s cohorts. Lame is lame. At one point, Baxter Institute's chairman of the board, played by Tim Blake Nelson, is seen in a control room at what is supposed to be a tense moment. The way he’s checking his cellphone, distractedly, you wonder if it’s the actor texting his agent about an unrelated matter of more dramatic interest than anything in "Fantastic Four."

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:19 pm

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Yep, from Miles Teller to Kate Mara to Reg E. Cathey, everyone on screen in "Fantastic Four" speaks in a flat, earnest monotone with a determinedly low-keyed air bordering on openly not giving a rip.


I've heard from reliable sources that the actors' monotone listlessness was at director Trank's insistence.

When the production started going south, Trank would sulk and direct the film from his video-monitoring hut.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:38 pm


She is a fighter
and an all-nighter.
She doesn't blunder
for she is a Wonder.
She bows to no man
for she is a Woman.




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:53 pm

Zapruder wrote:
One doesn't want to lay the blame entirely on the director, however, especially if the reports of extended reshoots and last-minute recutting are to be believed. Who knows how much of the film is actually "his" at this point? But it's hard to see how anything effective might have emerged out of this disaster at any point. The rot runs deep, and nobody is immune.


Variety Reporter reported that the film was basically taken away from Trank during production. At the end of the ordeal, Trank sent out a mass email to cast & crew, claiming his version was better than 99% of all super-hero movies. One person responded, "Nope."


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:55 pm


wait, isn't Trank the midget from X-Men: Time Days of Future Past?

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:56 pm


no, the midget's name is Trask. Bolivar Trask.

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it may be worth noting that while some snarkosauri are trying to brand BvS:DoJ as a true turkey turd, BvS:DoJ received a B grade from CinemaScore (a market research firm). A genuine stinkeroo like Fantastic Four 2015 received a D grade.

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Post  pinhedz on Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:12 am

I can't get a word in edgewise with that crazy-haired windbag carrying on non-stop. bounce

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well well well well well well well, looks like those mediocre reviews weren’t box office kryptonite after all.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice shattered box office records, opening to an estimated $170.1 million domestically over Easter weekend.

Not only did Zack Snyder’s superhero epic set a new record for the all-time biggest March opening, obliterating The Hunger Games’ $152.5 million, but Batman v Superman now stands as the sixth biggest opening of all time. It also squeaked by Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 ($169.2 million) to earn Warner Bros.’ biggest opening ever.

Internationally, it added another $254 million for a worldwide total of $424 million — the fourth-biggest global opening of all time. Domestically, Batman v Superman didn’t manage to surpass its Marvel counterparts like The Avengers or Iron Man 3, but it did beat both globally, becoming only the fourth movie in history to cross $400 million worldwide in one weekend.

Ben Affleck’s Batman also dethroned Christian Bale in The Dark Knight Rises ($160.9 million) and The Dark Knight ($158.4 million) as the biggest Batman and DC Comics openings ever.

Batman v Superman’s runaway success spells good news for Warner Bros. after a lackluster 2015, and the studio had several pricy flops last year, including Jupiter Ascending, The Man From U.N.C.L.E., and Pan. Batman v Superman carries a $250 million price tag, but it serves as a launch pad for the new DC movie universe, including next year’s Wonder Woman and the upcoming Justice League movie.

Going into the weekend, there was some question over how Batman v Superman’s critical reviews would affect its box office performance. Critics were less than kind, but Batman v Superman managed a B CinemaScore. An estimated 62 percent of its audience was male.

In all, Batman v Superman opened in 4,242 theaters, including 388 IMAX theaters, and with an IMAX opening of $18 million, it set an Easter record, surpassing Furious 7’s $13.3 million. Roughly 40 percent of Batman v Superman’s entire domestic total came from 3D screens.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:56 am

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the first X-Men film was OK, 16 years ago, but Bryan Singer is such a bloody bore.  That last one had a midget with a mustache hangin out with Richard Nixon, yet even that couldn't redeem the dullsville proceedings.


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was probably the fact that the whole grandiose thing was just a strained time-travel contraption to have pre-prequel dudes like Patrick Stewart and The Wolverine in the same movie as the younger prequel folk like J-Laws.  And so when movie takes itself that seriously while being such the gimmicky widget, this is a groaner.  



YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SANGEET SAYS ALL THE DAYS OF THE FUTURE PAST WAS BASED ON THE BELOVED X-MAN COMIC BOOK STORYLINE OF THE SAME NAME FROM YEAR NINETEEN EIGHTY FUCKING ONE. EXCEPT IN THE COMIC BOOK, IT IS NOT THE WOLVERINE WHO MIND-TRAVELS BACK IN TIME TO STOP NIXON AND THE SENTINELS, IT IS KITTY THE MUTANT.


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:03 am


ok fine, but how was Professor X in that movie, because in the previous one, Professor X was atomized by the tremendous psionic powers of Jean Grey, aka The Phoenix aka The Famke.

?????????

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:11 am

if you are not going to watch the secret post end credits sequences of these movies, why are you even talking about this stuff on the internet?  srsly

In after-credits scene of THE LAST STAND, Xavier speaks to Moira McTaggert through the body of a comatose man, implying that his consciousness survived by transferring itself into the body (An action that Xavier had discussed at the beginning of the film as part of an ethics class, the question being if it would be ethically right for a mutant like himself to attempt such a transference, noting that the man in question was virtually brain-dead).

On the disc commentary, it is revealed that the body on Muir Island was a "P. Xavier". One of the writers noted that this is an original twin brother, written for the scene, who was born braindead (due to Professor X's mind power). This is an example of a comic book death; this scene was not in the script but was secretly added during filming.



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:19 am


Uhuh, i guess it is that the X-Men films lack the gravitas of the Nolan Dark Knight Trigilogy, nor do they have the winkwink nudgenudge of the Feige Marvel CU (which can lessen the shame of watching the films, provided the winking is done in sensible moderation) ... plus the fact that the X-Men films seem like they're designed to be a metaphor for Transgender Pride, not that there's anything wrong with that, it just gets a bit repetitive



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:34 am


erm, if you want gravitas, look no further than picture The Wolverine (2013, director James Mangold) not to be confused with X-Men Origins : Wolverine (2009). Super haunted cuz he had to kill his love, Jean Grey, with his stabbing hands, Logan (The Wolverine) becomes a wandering ronin, standing up for the rights of wild bears, learning the ways of the samurai, and having delicate tender love with oriental beauty like falling lotus petal


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:24 pm


i wonder how popular that flick was in Japan, because there are two nice Japanese girls in the picture, but everyone else in Japan is evil.

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:31 pm


(spoiler) the feudal Japanese cyborg rips out Wolverine's adamantium claws at the end, and so Wolverine grows some of his original bone claws.  Do his adamntium claws ever grow back, because he has regenerative powers, but does that apply to his adamantium skeletal structure?

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:51 pm


just looked it up - no, the adamantium bonded to Wolverine's bones does NOT grow back.

so it is unknown how Wolverine regained adamantium claws in Future Past X-Men, some have hypothesized that Magneto helped him with this, but that doesn't make sense to me - Magneto has no experience in metallic bone-bonding procedures, as far as I know.

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