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Post  Yakima Canutt on Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:47 am


Dawn of Revenue

While Monday morning’s final tally saw a dip in the actual domestic box office receipts, from a $170 million estimate to a $166 million actual, anyone trying to rain on Warner Bros.’ Batman v Superman parade is going to have to do a lot of stretching to frame the opening weekend as anything other than a huge success. With international box office coming in at $254 million, Batman v Superman now has the record for the biggest superhero movie international opening, and the biggest all-time worldwide opening box office of the superhero genre at $420 million.

Of all films regardless of genre, Batman v Superman had the fifth-biggest overseas opening weekend in history, behind only Jurassic World, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, and Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides. Domestically, Batman v Superman now sits behind Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Jurassic World, The Avengers, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Avengers: Age of Ultron, and Iron Man 3.

And here’s a particularly noteworthy number for you — Batman v Superman is the fourth-biggest opening weekend of any kind, ever. The top four largest opening weekends are Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Jurassic World, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, and Batman v Superman. Oh and the $166+ million figure is a new March record, so add that to the list of accomplishments this weekend, too.

We can split hairs about a few dollars here and there, and could do so about EVERY film if we start down that road of debate — how inflation changes things, how summer releases have better odds, how more movie lead-ins or less changes the equation, and find reasons to discount and dissect ANY other movie’s box office success to claim it isn’t as impressive if we want to always seek conflict and make it more an ideological/personal preference-driven debate than a fair comparison and accounting. At the end of the day, it’s going to be hard to sell a bunch of “yeah, but” or negative narratives about these results. For weeks and months, we’ve listened to one negative rumor after another, seen one negative press/fan site claim after another touting some extreme hyperbole or outright fiction about the film and the studio, and watched as every trailer or marketing decision was second-guessed and complained about on social media and entertainment news articles. There’s also been positive coverage, don’t get me wrong, but I doubt anyone would seriously try to argue that the majority of press buzz for months hasn’t been mixed and involved a lot of handwringing and rumor-mongering.



In the atmosphere of uncertainty, negative rumors and coverage, with a March release date instead of a summer opening, and after negative critical reviews, Batman v Superman delivered a strong opening topping the freshman weekends for the acclaimed $1 billion Batman movies of the Dark Knight series, behind only the two Avengers films and Iron Man 3 — films that benefited from years of buildup and several advance movie releases setting them up. And while it’s easy for the media to react as if domestic box office is the only thing that matters, the truth is foreign receipts are what will really decide the fate of these films. They certainly decided the opening weekend, and will continue to be the decisive factor in weeks to come.

At this point, with a $420 million opening and word of repeat-viewing ticket sales nearly one-third above normal, the prospects look good for the film’s final box office cume. While a lot of people are guessing the “B” Cinemascore from audiences will hurt its legs going forward, the bat-devil is in the bat-details — the under-18 and under-25 crowds gave Batman v Superman higher scores, with the younger group rating it an “A-.” Likewise, word is that parents liked the movie and are recommending it to other parents. If the teenage crowd and parents with children rate the film higher and want to see it again, that bodes well for weekdays as schools let out for spring break over the next few weeks while Batman v Superman faces no real competition from other new releases targeting the same demographics.

A film opening to a record-setting global box office for superhero films, setting a new March record, with a few weeks without competition during spring break, and with kids and parents giving it the highest scores and recommending it to other kids and parents, should be able to get a 2.4x multiplier leading to a final box office in the $1 billion range. It should enter next weekend with about $500+/- million worldwide, and then add another $170+/- million in total sales for the second weekend of release, for a grand total of somewhere between about $650-700 million by close of business Sunday.



Man of Steel, the predecessor to Batman v Superman, had a 61% drop on its second weekend amid mixed reviews and the nearly $150 million combined challenge from Monsters University and World War Z. It went on to a 2.49x multiplier despite multiple big summer releases dropping each successive weekend. The Dark Knight Rises had a 2.78x multiplier, facing steady competition from other new and repeating films in the marketplace. But Rises’ competition wasn’t as formidable as was Man of Steel’s, obviously. The point is that even if Batman v Superman has a multiplier lower than Man of Steel, it can still top $1 billion, and the prospects of that happening are much better when the field ahead is empty for a few weeks and the crucial teen and parent demographics are keen on the film.

We’ll see how it holds this week and the week after, as different schools are out for spring break. Softer weekdays and a decline too far north of 60+% would mean it winds up on the lower side of total box office potential, perhaps finishing next weekend with $620-630 million in the bank. But if it has good weekday attendance and then a decent hold, and if foreign box office is once again ahead of expectations, then I think it’ll perform closer to the $680+ million end of estimates.

Zack Snyder starts shooting Justice League: Part 1 in two weeks, so in the aftermath of so much negative rumors and critical backlash against the film (which I obviously strongly disagree with, and which I feel completely misses the boat on major themes and narrative arcs in the film) Warner must be quite happy that Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice kicked off its release with huge box office returns and appears on pace for a healthy weekday run and good second weekend. Should the film wind up on the lower end of expectations, it’s still on track for a $900+ million opening, and the concerns that it might not be able to top $800 million should be safely put to rest at this point.

Meanwhile, Justice League has already been scripted and prepped, and was always leaning toward a much more comic-like “live-action superhero cartoon” feel, according to what I was told weeks ago about the project. Not that it’ll abandon the grounding and serious themes of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, but just as Batman v Superman took this whole shared cinematic world another step toward the fantastical stylings of DC Comics, Justice League will be another big leap in that direction and mixes a lot more of the various tones and attitudes represented by the various characters.

I’ll have more about Batman v Superman all week, including an article directly addressing some of the common claims and complaints about the film, some more box office updates, and extended interviews with director Zack Snyder, producer Deborah Snyder, and producer Charles Roven. So be sure to check back soon! Meanwhile, what’s your reaction to the record-breaking opening box office of Batman v Superman?

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:51 pm


Superman (Kal-El, an illegal alien) truly is a menace.  Look what he did in 1978 when he messed with Earth's rotation.



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:53 am



who are the inhumans?


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EYE OF AGAMOTTO?!?


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:31 pm

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:23 pm


finally saw DAWN OF JUSTICIA ... still trying to catch my breath. wot a rumble. wot a rumble.

if you live in a town without a picture house, i will explain what happens ( a spoil) -

Bruce REALLY hates Superman because he thinks Superman is way too powerful. So Bruce is just about to kill Superman when he finds out Superman's mom's name is Martha, and that is also Bruce's mom's name, and Bruce really misses his mom. So Bruce doesn't kill Superman, but instead they become friends. Then Bruce, Superman, and Wonder Woman (she is just sort of loitering around during the movie) all team up to kill a monster. Superman is killed by the monster, but he probably isn't really dead. THE END.



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:45 pm


whoa! freeky-deeky!  that CIA spook posing as a photographer over there in Africa?  That really was Jimmy Olsen.  Cowabunga.




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A lot of people wondered how Lex Luthor went from an annoying tech billionaire to totally bonkers during the movie, as there wasn't much explanation provided in BvS:DoJ.  A deleted scene will answer such queries.  



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A lot of people wondered how Lex Luthor went from an annoying tech billionaire to totally bonkers during the movie, as there wasn't much explanation provided in BvS:DoJ.  A deleted scene will answer such queries.  




it's possible ... maybe even probable ... that the horned chap is The Potentate Yuga, begetter of Uxas (who you will come to fear as Darkseid)


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:35 pm



ok sorry for posting the fake trailer.  that was a cheeky trick and a nasty gag.  here is the authentic.  doc cumbles goes past the purple veil thru the looking glass and the astral doors of perception over the circus sands to the crystal ship beyond Dormammu's Dark Dimension




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Post  pinhedz on Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:02 am

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How much is "190 cm?"

Please convert.

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190 cm is 0.00102592 nautical miles


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:06 am


there have been a number of marketing revelations regarding Civil War the past few weeks, BUT THE VISION'S SWEATER IS WHAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:26 am


EXCLUSIVE

my sources have confirmed Michael Keaton has been cast as the heavy in the next Spider-Man stand-aloner. But what villain?  I say it has to be The Vulture.  I MEAN IT HAS TO BE THE VULTURE.



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Post  Yakima Canutt on Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:11 pm


the bloody vulture? are you having a laff? fuck that. there have been 5 Spuder-Man movies, it is high fucking time for MYSTERIO. i know it, you know it, the amrican people know it




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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:56 pm


CIVIL WAR REMINDER

Daniel Brühl will be preforming as Baron Zemo


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BREAKING - MARVEL'S INHUMANS PHASED OUT OF PHASE III

Following recent hints from Marvel CU head Kevin Feige, the Inhumans movie has lost its Phase 3 release date.

It was just last week that Feige suggested in an interview that Inhumans would probably miss its planned arrival on July 12, 2019, after already being moved out of a November 2, 2018, berth. But while Feige said at the time that the movie would merely be pushed back, the latest news -- announced quietly by Marvel -- is that Inhumans no longer has a release date at all.

Coming after Feige's comments last week, the disappearance of Inhumans from Marvel's schedule isn't a total surprise -- but there's probably a good chance it isn't coming back. Inhumans was originally supposed to close out Phase 3 (following Avengers: Infinity War), but Marvel already has three unnamed movies on the slate for 2020, and it has not moved Inhumans into any of those slots. It has just wiped the movie off the calendar, a first for the superhero studio.

No director or cast was ever attached to Inhumans, although Vin Diesel hinted a while back -- as he likes to do -- that he was in line to play Black Bolt, the head of the Inhumans' Royal Family of Attilan. A script was also commissioned, but that's about as far as the project got.

So, why has the movie been bumped, perhaps permanently? For one thing, Marvel has added two films to the Phase 3 schedule -- Ant-Man and the Wasp and Spider-Man: Homecoming (a Sony collab) -- since Inhumans was unveiled as part of the original slate in October 2014. It could simply be that the studio does not have the time or resources to develop Inhumans properly at this point and will revive it later.

But there's another possibility: The Inhumans -- a race of human beings given superpowers by aliens long ago, who have kept themselves largely hidden from the world -- already exist on ABC and Marvel TV's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and their ongoing storyline has been the dominant narrative on that show for the past year. That was apparently at the behest of Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter, and it's possible that the introduction of the Inhumans on the series interfered with the film division's plans for them.

When Kevin Feige staged a bit of a power play last year, getting himself removed from Perlmutter's influence (a good thing for the film division) and reporting directly to the heads of Disney, relations between the movie and TV divisions of Marvel reportedly grew even chillier than they were, and the cancellation of the Inhumans movie may be the final break in that chain.

It would be a shame if the picture was scrapped completely, because the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. version isn't interesting. It's the Royal Family -- characters like Black Bolt, Gorgon, Medusa, Crystal, Karnak and the amazing dog Lockjaw -- that comic-book fans know, and it would be cool to see them on the screen at some point. Are you McBummed to see Inhumans removed from the Marvel schedule? Should they give it another go at some point in Phase 4?


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TIME IS UP.  NOW YOU HAVE TO DECIDE.




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unlike pinehedz, i don't want to do a lot of spoiling and ruining here.  but i will say that this civil war is not your average everyday civil war.  this is a very draining civil war, and this is a civil war that could quite possibly change every thing ...


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A Buzzless Apocalypse
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From a purely technical standpoint, everything has gone off without a hitch for the rollout of X-Men: Apocalypse. Ever since director Bryan Singer first tweeted in December of 2013 about Fox’s plan to make the movie, he and the studio have done an exemplary job of hitting all the marks of a modern superhero-movie marketing campaign. They dropped hints about the film before 2014’s X-Men: Days of Future Past had even hit screens; they’ve sustained a steady flow of teaser images on social media; they’ve released three action-packed trailers over the past five months. The flick hits theaters on May 27, and hardly a day has gone by in the last few weeks without a bit of PR-department-approved news about it.

So where’s the hype? Early reviews have been tepid, but the movie was having trouble getting anyone amped up well before the critical embargo was lifted. Captain America: Civil War and Apocalypse released trailers one week apart from each other back in March — why does the former have more than 60 million YouTube views while the latter couldn’t even crack 18 million? Why hasn’t there been a massive pre-release spike in Google searches for “apocalypse” like there was for “deadpool”? Why did millions of geeks tune in for a fan analysis of a single Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice trailer while no breakdown of an X-trailer even came close to those numbers?

None of this is to say there’s no enthusiasm for the movie, nor that it’s on track to be a bomb like Fox’s disastrous Fantastic Four. It has a lot going for it: a cast filled with top-notch performers (Jennifer Lawrence, Oscar Isaac, Michael Fassbender); a quirky 1980s setting; characters with existing name recognition; and the pedigree of a well-reviewed, profitable predecessor in the form of Days of Future Past. And yet, though buzz is a difficult thing to quantify, it’s hard to avoid the sense Apocalypse — grandiose name aside — feels small. Let’s take a look at some of the reasons it’s fighting an uphill battle for relevance in a crowded superhero landscape.

The plot is behind the times.
And not just because it’s set three decades ago. When the X-Men franchise began with 2000’s X-Men, it almost single-handedly kick-started the superhero-movie revolution by giving audiences something they’d never seen before: a group of individuals with miraculous abilities and sleek uniforms who have to overcome their differences in order to fight a man who wants to take over the world. Sixteen years later, Apocalypse has that same setup. It even has some of the exact same characters doing the difference-overcoming: The movie stars younger versions of Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, and Professor Xavier, as well as other folks who have popped up in past X-installments.

This is a year where most superhero pictures are moving beyond the team-fights-bad-guy archetype. Civil War and Dawn of Justice both focus on good guys fighting each other, Suicide Squad is going to be about a team of villains, and Deadpool was a fourth-wall-breaking send-up of the whole genre. Apocalypse’s trailers make it feel rote by comparison.

At this point, the X-Men universe is hopelessly confusing.
Shared cinematic universes are all the rage in Hollywood right now. Disney’s Avenger-filled Marvel Cinematic Universe is the best-known example (although the X-Men emerged from Marvel Comics, Fox owns their film rights), Warner Bros. has launched the DC Extended Universe, Paramount is embarking on a shared universe based on Hasbro action figures, and Universal is even starting one based on its mid-century lineup of monster movies. A key element of each of these is precision: There’s an overarching continuity and timeline that unites every movie. That can be a major boon for a studio, because it makes sprawling franchises rational and consistent and it rewards fans who want to obsess over details and get excited about the evolution of the fictional status quo.

The X-Men project, however, began well before the shared-universe trend, so it hasn’t had the totalitarian oversight of those other franchises. X-Men continuity is, to put it bluntly, a total mess. Major story elements from 2006’s X-Men: The Last Stand and 2009’s X-Men Origins: Wolverine have been completely ignored in subsequent movies. The 1960s setting of 2011’s X-Men: First Class doesn’t sync up with the events of X-Men. Days of Future Past featured a bunch of confusing time travel that may or may not have changed the fabric of reality — the ending didn’t bother to explain what had been erased and what had been retained. Anyone who cares about continuity will likely be alienated by the movie’s plot; at the same time, anyone who hasn’t seen past X-movies will be totally confused about what’s happening in this new one. It’s the worst of both worlds.

The franchise doesn’t have a TV component (yet).
One of the reasons Disney and Warner Bros. have been able to keep audiences fixated on their superhero properties is that they don’t just exist on the big screen — they’ve infiltrated television and streaming services, too. Disney is only putting out two Marvel movies this year, but it has two Marvel series on ABC, two on Netflix, and three on Disney XD, adding up to well over 60 additional hours of in-universe storytelling to keep the pump primed throughout the year. Warner’s DC Comics-based TV shows aren’t actually in the same shared universe as their movies, but there are still DC superheroes are zipping around week after week, maintaining interest in the overall brand.

The X-folks have no such luck. There have been fevered battles over the X-Men’s TV rights in the past, keeping the characters out of live-action shows. Disney and Fox have apparently reached a détente and a pair of shows tangentially related to the X-Men are in development. But as of now, there’s nothing to keep the franchise in shape during the off-season.

The movie suffers from dangerously low Jackman levels.
Quick, who’s the star of the X-Men series? Did you say Cyclops? Archangel? Nightcrawler? Of course you didn’t. You almost certainly said Wolverine, as played by the eternally sexy Hugh Jackman. The actor has been a through-line for 16 years, appearing in every X-Men movie, including two solo outings (and an upcoming third). You could always count on him for charismatic grunting and much-needed, charmingly grizzled comic relief.

But you’ll notice that he’s entirely absent from most of Apocalypse’s promotional materials. Not only is he not one of the stars, he’s apparently barely in it, only popping up for a brief cameo. In fact, now that Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen aren’t part of the whole X-endeavor anymore, this film doesn’t have any of the franchise’s most famous original leads. Without a wise-cracking Wolvie, it feels like the movie’s missing a limb.

It somehow made Oscar Isaac unattractive.
I mean, come on. You’re really gonna cast the internet’s boyfriend in a major role and then dress him up like a third-rate Power Rangers villain? Not only is it a waste of star power wattage to obfuscate one of Hollywood's most marketable men, it's also just generally a bad idea to make your antagonists look silly. Isaac plays the main baddie, Apocalypse, and one of the early bits of backlash to the movie has been a minor outcry from fans who felt he looked and sounded dumb. Aesthetics have always mattered a lot in the world of superhero entertainment, going back to Superman's colorful debut in 1938. If you don't nail something as fundamental as the look and sound of your big nasty, you're going to undercut your impact.


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