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Post  pinhedz on Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:03 am

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Re: Define folk

Post  sil on Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:07 am

Folk music is a music genre that... hmmm... sounds folky
They play acoustic guitars and sing like if they had something to do with the roots of the land but they can't really read music
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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:10 am

That's about as good a definition as I've heard. study

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:10 am

Forcucci's eight generalizations

To Forcucci (1984), the folk singer's art is storytelling, and the responsibility lies in telling the story rather than entertaining the audience. Because the oral transmission definition of folk music is obsolete and much of the music is transmitted by the mass media today, Forcucci put folk music into two basic categories: traditional folk songs and modern urban folk songs. He gave eight generalizations by which one may define folk music:

1. Folk songs represent the musical expressions of the common people.

2. These songs are not composed in that they are not the works of skilled, tutored musicians. It is more accurate to say that they have been created rather than composed.

3. These songs are ordinarily the product of an unknown person or group of persons. The credits often read: Anonymous; American Folk Song; Traditional; or Southern Mountain Song. [But Forcucci notes that there are folklike songs where the author is known, but that these songs are "patterned to fit the mold of what typical American folk songs should sound like," p. 18.]

4. The words or lyrics of folk songs are usually colloquial in nature to reflect the speech patterns and expressions of a particular people or region.

5. These songs are highly singable, primarily because they were first presented with the singing voice rather than have been written down in musical notation beforehand.

6. Folk songs are simply structured, both musically and verbally. It is their naivete that gives them their charm.

7. These songs can be effectively performed without instrumental accompaniment. When they are accompanied, a less formal instrument (such as a guitar, banjo, accordion, dulcimer, or Autoharp) is considered appropriate.

8. Folk songs are indigenous to a particular region or people because they reflect the musical/verbal preferences of that people or region in their materials. (Forcucci, 1984, pp. 18-19)

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:15 am

Musicians never give straight answers.

There was the story about the club owner who heard an old bluesman on the street, and said:

-- How would you like to work in a night club?

-- Doin' what?

-- Folk music.

-- What kind of music is that?

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:16 am

There's the story about the folklorist who listened to an old-timer sing a song, and then asked:

-- Is that a folk song?

-- I reckon--I've never heard horses sing it.

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:18 am

John Fahey always objected when his guitar records were filed under "folk."

He once said "I'm not a volk [that's how he spelled it], I went to Berkley."

He also said:

"As a result of studying folk music, I've decided that it doesn't exist. And if it does, I hate it."

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:20 am

How can you tell when folks for sure are not playing folk?

One way is if you see music stands. Razz

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:07 pm

North American Singer/Singwriter Definition: Folk is anything that includes, somewhere in the mix, however far buried beneath the synth, the too-loud snare drum and the four-piece horn section, an acoustic guitar. Electric guitar is OK if played by a singer/songwriter who might at one point have owned an acoustic guitar. If said singer/songwriter never owned an acoustic guitar then it still counts as long as they are trying to sound like Joni Mitchell (which covers 90% of all USA female examples)."

Alternative North American definition, Folk-stroke-Celtic: Anything from anywhere in the British isles and/or Ireland and or anywhere else as long as there's a cover of "She Moved Through the Fair" on the CD and a minimum quotient of whooshy Enya-noises. Also, anything with a harp, particularly if played by Loreena McKennitt or anybody else who has received more than the UN-recommended maximum exposure to new-age crystal shops.

Australian/UK folk club definition: A folk song is any song of which more than twenty percent of the words have been forgotten during the course of any given performance. Any song containing the words shearer, drove, billy or tea (Australia) or any song beginning with two lines of meteorology (England) and/or taking place in the month of May, and/or having protagonists named Nancy and/or Willy making incomprehensible bargains with bent jewellery or murdering one another over verbal pre-nuptual agreements.

Universal no-exception totally watertight force-of-law definition: anything, absolutely anything, with a melodeon, is now and ever more shall be folk. This used to be true for banjos as well until the Flecktones came along, and it's almost entirely true for bouzoukis, citterns and their diverse bastard offspring. Concertinas are allowed to pretend not to be folk, and piano accordions are banned altogether unless played by Phil Cunningham or Karen Tweed. Fiddles turn into violins when played up at the dusty end and stop being folk, unless they are played in funny tunings in which case they are always folk, and even more so if they've got extra strings in funny places or are played by Chipolatas with kebab sticks. Any of the above, or anything else, is automatically folk when played by personages in flat hats or other ethnic costumes or by blokes wearing dresses.

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Re: Define folk

Post  sil on Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:15 pm

Sorry for mentioning Dylan in your thread, Pinhedz, hehehe but I once read that young folky Bob was talking to a jazz musician (I don't remember who, I think he was a pianist) and Bob told him he played folk songs. The jazz musician answered Bob "we all play folk". Maybe my memory doesn't serve me well, but their conversation was something like that.
Sometimes when I feel much like listening to folk and I listen to other music I kind of hear it sounding folky.

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:40 am

I walked down there an' ended up
In one of them coffee houses on the block
I got on the stage to sing an' play
The man there said "Come back some other day
You sound like a hillbilly!
We want folk singers here!''

-- Bob

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Re: Define folk

Post  TinyMontgomery on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:19 pm

"It's people!"

-- Charlton Heston

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Re: Define folk

Post  eddie on Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:15 pm

It's guns!

(Charlton Heston)

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:20 am

"It ain't horses"

-- Anon

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:28 am

silviando wrote:The jazz musician answered Bob "we all play folk". ... Sometimes when I feel much like listening to folk and I listen to other music I kind of hear it sounding folky.
Some jazzmen are conservatory trained, learn written out parts and have played classical music, but much of jazz is playing improvisations on old 12-bar, 16-bar and 32-bar folk and pop music formats, and I can see how someone doing that might say "We all play folk."

He might also have meant "we are all playing for the masses." I think that in some languages "folk" and "popular" are the same word.

To some, folk might just mean "not elitist."

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Re: Define folk

Post  pinhedz on Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:58 pm

pinhedz wrote:I think that in some languages "folk" and "popular" are the same word.
In Brazil, I think that some "folk" can actually play something like this, but in the US--not:




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