We know drinking prevents heart disease--but can it prevent cancer?

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We know drinking prevents heart disease--but can it prevent cancer?

Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:11 am

Lots of drunken mice. Razz 

... but the wines were from upstate New York state.  Is the benefit worth the sacrifice? Neutral 

" ... For this research, the team decided to measure red and white wines' impact on non small-cell carcinoma lung cancer cells. They exposed samples of lung cancer cells to Cabernet Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir and Riesling. All wines were sourced from producers in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario.

They found that both red and white wines halted the spread of lung cancer, but the reds were more effective. Red wine effectively stopped the spread of cancer cells, when compared to the control group, at 2 percent concentration. For white wine, similar results didn't happen until 5 percent.

"Our results demonstrated that while both red and white wines are able to inhibit lung cancer cell growth and oncogenic potential, there is a difference in the potency of the wines as these effects were only achieved with higher doses of white wine," said Evangelia Litsa Tsiani, an associate professor of Community Health Sciences at Brock University and one of the authors. "We hypothesize that the total phenolic content, which was much higher in red wine, may be responsible."

Tsiani said the study showed that red wine does stop the growth and survival of lung cancer cells. But she cautioned that the team cannot make recommendations regarding wine consumption because these were tests on human lung cancer cells in a lab setting. "Our next step is to use doses of wine that correspond to moderate wine consumption in humans, one to two glasses per day, and examine the effect on tumor growth in mice," she said. "If we see a significant reduction in tumor growth with wine then we will have strong evidence that will justify the need of a clinical trial, a study in cancer patients." "

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:17 am

If the researchers conclude that the preliminary findings justify clinical trials on human subjects, they will need volunteers.    

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:26 am

Dr. Hymen says the notion that ethanol, a substance causing cell death, is good for you ... is too funny for even a bunny and these are BIASED studies by ethanol based cultures to reinforce their bad habits ... but Dr. Poikolainen says ethanol is only harm-ful if you drink more than 13 ethanol units ...



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Post  pinhedz on Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:33 am

Yakima Canutt wrote:Dr. Hymen says the notion that ethanol, a substance causing cell death, is good for you ...  is too funny for even a bunny and these are BIASED studies by ethanol based cultures to reinforce their bad habits ... but Dr. Poikolainen says ethanol is only harm-ful if you drink more than 13 ethanol units ...
And Dr. Masterjohn says that if the bloodstream delivers too much sugar to a cell, it will turn into peroxide--result=cell death. clown 

So the body has developed a mechanism to protect the cells from sugar spikes -- DIABETES. Neutral 

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Post  pinhedz on Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:37 am

The blond might need to be told that correlation (like with education Suspect ) is not causation. drunken 

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Post  pinhedz on Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:59 am

To take the investigation to the next level--does drinking alcohol also prevent liver disease? Apparently--yes. Shocked

Hepatology. 2008 Jun;47(6):1947-54. doi: 10.1002/hep.22292.
Modest wine drinking and decreased prevalence of suspected nonalcoholic fatty liver disease.
Dunn W1, Xu R, Schwimmer JB.
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Abstract
People at risk for coronary heart disease are often at risk for nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). The association of modest wine consumption with NAFLD has not been studied and the recommendation of wine for patients at risk for both diseases is controversial. The aim is to test the hypothesis that modest wine consumption is associated with decreased prevalence of NAFLD. We included Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey participants who either reported no alcohol consumption or preferentially drinking wine with total alcohol consumption up to 10 g per day. Suspected NAFLD was based on unexplained serum alanine aminotransferase (ALT) elevation over the cut point of the reference laboratory (ALT > 43) and the cut point based on the 95th percentile of healthy subjects (ALT > 30 for men; ALT > 19 for women). Multivariate analysis was adjusted for age, gender, race, neighborhood, income, education, caffeine intake, and physical activity. A total of 7,211 nondrinkers and 945 modest wine drinkers comprised the study sample. Based on the reference laboratory cut point, suspected NAFLD was observed in 3.2% of nondrinkers and 0.4% of modest wine drinkers. The adjusted odds ratio was 0.15 (95% confidence interval, 0.05-0.49). Using the healthy subject cut point, suspected NAFLD was observed in 14.3% of nondrinkers and 8.6% of wine drinkers. The adjusted odds ratio was 0.51 (95% confidence interval, 0.33-0.79).
CONCLUSION:
Modest wine consumption is associated with reduced prevalence of suspected NAFLD. The current study supports the safety of one glass of wine per day for cardioprotection in patients at risk for both coronary heart disease and NAFLD.


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Post  pinhedz on Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:00 am

Shocked What a Face drunken drunken

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:32 am


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Post  Yakima Canutt on Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:06 pm


Most of the so-called benefit of light alcohol consumption is inferred from the bogus lumping of ex-drinkers with lifetime teetotalers in epidemiological studies. Even for studies which are careful to separate ex-drinkers from other abstainers, it is questionable to attribute the reputed better health of light drinkers to alcohol because many abstainers have other health problems which preclude alcohol consumption — including asthma, epilepsy, gout, hypertension, ulcers and diabetes. Many people with health problems are disinclined to drink — or prohibited from drinking — alcoholic beverages.

There is reason to believe that ethanol might have some benefit for coronary heart disease for those with low blood HDL cholesterol. But the benefit can usually be achieved more safely by other means of raising HDL cholesterol. Brain atrophy and damage to the hippocampus by ethanol in even the lowest doses should be alarming to rational persons. Ethanol (and/or acetaldehyde) is so damaging to so many body organs, organelles and molecules — most troublingly the brain — that grasping at one possible benefit while ignoring all of the harms sounds suspiciously like the rationalizations of an addict. Or the rationalizations of an entire addicted society. Whatever the reputed health benefits of ethanol, the health costs (known and unknown) are vastly greater. By my values, the possibility of brain damage makes any mild cardiovascular benefit pale by comparison — especially when there are so many other ways to improve cardiovascular health.

An editorial in the the JOURNAL OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF MEDICINE concluded that because of the many obvious health hazards of alcohol (including temporary impairment of neurological function) and because of the availability of so many other cardiovascular drugs [ I would add niacin, DHA, weight loss and exercise ] and because "the benefits of alcohol are small and ill-understood" that the recommendation to be a light drinker is "not only meaningless but also irresponsible".

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Post  pinhedz on Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:27 pm

Yakima Canutt wrote: ...An editorial in the the JOURNAL OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF MEDICINE  concluded ...

... to be precise, and editorial from the December 1997 issue, spouting the conventional wisdom of the last millennium. But even if it was month's issue, the pinhed only pays attention when primary research (with actual results from an actual population of live subjects) are cited--see above. Editorials are just opinions. bounce

Whatever the reputed health benefits of ethanol, the health costs (known and unknown) are vastly greater.
The known and unknown health costs are vastly greater... Razz

I have no further questions for this witness.

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Post  pinhedz on Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:47 pm

HAMS (citing heaps of primary research) comments on the brain-shrinkage assertions as follows:

" ... they [your kids] know that they are being lied to. Once you lie to kids you lose your credibility for good because kids are real black and white thinkers. Once you have cried wolf then kids will not believe you when you warn them about real dangers like drinking and driving, the addictive nature of heroin, or the fact that drinking a fifth of liquor a day can rot your liver."

"Let's stop all the scare tactics and tell kids the truth for a change--okay?"

"The kid you save could be your own."

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