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Post  pinhedz on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:03 am

There are only two drugs that have been proven to improve long-term health prospects:

-- ethanol (no need to get red wine, tho; any booze will do the same thing, because there is only one active ingredient--ethanol),

-- coffee (but it's not the caffeine that's good, it's the other 1,500 ingredients).

All the other drugs do little good, and most do more harm than good. study


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Post  pinhedz on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:18 am

Some advice on dosages might be in order:

booze -- ethanol is not metabolized; it goes straight from your tummy to your blood, and your liver treats it as a toxin and sends it to your bladder to be eliminated as fast as possible.  One drink is gone in about 90 minutes, but if you have 6 drinks it will take 9 hours, and you'll be hurtin' (voice of experience speaking). And your liver won't like it, not one bit. Most important--higher doses do not lead to higher tolerance (sorry about that Neutral ).

coffee -- coffee (including the caffeine) is metabolized, so your body does not eliminate it as a toxin, and it stays in your system longer. The immediate effect of caffeine (not the other ingredients) is to raise heart rate and blood pressure and reduce insulin sensitivity (bad for diabetics). But the bad effects only occur in people who drink too little coffee.  Regular coffee drinkers are caffeine tolerant (which is the same as being addicted, but that don't bother the pinhed).

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Post  blue moon on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:04 pm

I'm a long-term excessive coffee drinker. Due to a recent health blip I decided to give it up altogether, finding total abstinence easier than moderation. My god...for 3 nights I had such severe kidney pain I couldn't sleep. I could barely cope at all. Found out it wasn't kidney pain but pain from the adrenal glands, which sit atop the kidneys.
It was the most harrowing withdrawal I've been through. Much harder (for me) than giving up cigarettes.

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Post  pinhedz on Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:08 pm

As a coffee drinking student (drinking the coffee at the University--never at home) I used to get a poison headache every weekend, and didn't know why. Finally, I realized that it was because I had no coffee at home, so I was going through withdrawal every weekend.

Last year I was caffeine-free for half the year, while studying up on the trade-offs. I think it's a near call, but for the time being I'm back on the caffeine habit.

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Post  blue moon on Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:28 pm

I had those terrible headaches for a few days, but the lower-back pain trumped them. I read online that the hit from coffee is from the adrenal glands. I had no idea they were involved. I was a 20-cup-a-day drinker. Sometimes more. Two spoons of coffee and two of sugar in each cup.
I guess that's why withdrawal was so dramatic...but it's compensated for by how well I'm feeling at the moment. Not just mentally (I'm less anxious) but physically (I feel much lighter).

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Post  pinhedz on Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:28 pm

I see there is considerable discussion of "adrenal stress" and "adrenal exhaustion" on the WEB.

I did the math--my daily dose is about 72 ounces. I reckon that's 10-12 cups (depends on what we call a cup).

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Post  pinhedz on Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:34 pm

As for booze, the finding is that 2 drinks a day prevent heart attacks, but if you save up your 14 drinks for Friday and Saturday night, that causes heart attacks.

The medical researchers speeded up their research by experimenting on moderate-drinking mice and binge-drinking mice, because all mice live their lives fast:  

Differential effects of daily-moderate versus weekend-binge alcohol consumption on atherosclerotic plaque development in mice.
Liu W, Redmond EM, Morrow D, Cullen JP.

Abstract
OBJECTIVES:
We examined the effect of daily-moderate (2 drinks/day, 7 days/week) and weekend-binge (7 drinks/day, 2 days/week) patterns of alcohol consumption on plasma lipid levels and physiological parameters of atherosclerotic plaque development.

METHODS:
ApoE k/o mouse were fed (1) 'daily-moderate' (blood alcohol content: 0.07%) or (2) 'weekend-binge' (blood alcohol content: 0.23%), or (3) an isocaloric cornstarch mix. Then, to induce atherosclerotic plaque formation, all groups underwent partial carotid artery ligation, started on an atherogenic diet and continued on the alcohol feeding regimen. After 2 weeks plasma lipid levels and atherosclerotic plaque formation were assessed.

RESULTS:
While there was an increase in HDL-C levels in both binge and moderate groups, LDL-C levels were significantly decreased in the daily-moderate drinking mice and significantly elevated in the weekend-binge drinking mice. In the daily-moderate alcohol group there was a decrease in atherosclerotic plaque volume, concomitant with an increase in lumen volume and decreased macrophage accumulation, when compared to no alcohol mice. In contrast, after 4 weeks of weekend-binge alcohol there was an increase in plaque volume, concomitant with a decrease in lumen volume and increased deposition of macrophages.

CONCLUSION:
These findings demonstrate for the first time a differential effect of daily-moderate vs. weekend-binge alcohol consumption on atherosclerotic plaque development and highlight the importance of patterns of alcohol consumption, as opposed to total amount consumed, in relation to the cardiovascular effects of alcohol.

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Post  pinhedz on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:02 am

According to the Wrongington Post, 10% percent of the alcohol imbibers drink most of the ethanol in the United States.

30% of the US population drinks no ethanol at all. Shocked

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:09 am

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/17303/on-purim-hold-your-liquor-what-good-is-a-shikker/

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Post  pinhedz on Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:31 pm

The sobering fact is that the booze producers get 60% of their profits from hard-core alcoholics (which would'a been obvious, if I would'a thought about if for a second drunken ).

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:08 am

Subo says: "I really don't think doctors can tell you much."

I've been trying to explain this to people, maybe now they'll listen. bounce

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Post  Yakima Canutt on Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:01 am

Idea

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Post  pinhedz on Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:32 am

To be fair, doctors are good at setting broken bones--as long as there aren't too many pieces.

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