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The fallacy thread

Post  pinhedz on Wed May 22, 2013 4:45 am

What's your favorite logical fallacy? Very Happy

I think this is mine:

"A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position. This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues."

It should be added that the phony "straw man" proposition is always much easier to refute than the opponents actual proposition.

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  woo on Wed May 22, 2013 8:13 am

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu May 23, 2013 8:05 am

Mr. Bostian emphasized memorizations of the log fallacies in seventh grade, but they dont seem to be mandatory part of USA curric.... why......simple ....... so the owl can maintain control over the sheeple and grendlings of the dremmel horse

straw man debating consists of 97% of political debating in #1USA, it is fun and can give you kewl terms like "the panels of death and reprobation" in HR67676J

there is also less sinister man of the straw .... oftening we don't have the time, inclination, or perception to really understand what someone else is nattering on about (even in affable gabbings) so it is much easier to have the chat with the nearby straw-man that you have built yourslef ... instead of the other dude or dudess

the user's fave fallacy is the appeal to authoritay because 5 in 7 dentists agree this is the best

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  Yakima Canutt on Thu May 23, 2013 8:09 am

74% of debates with an ultraliberal will eventually end with the UL saying "yeah well Paul Krugman won the Nobel Prize"



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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  pinhedz on Thu May 23, 2013 8:11 am

97.4% of "climatologists actively publishing on climate change" agree that "human activity is making a significant contribution" to climate change.

That's 75 out of 77 qualifying respondents--or 97.4%

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  pinhedz on Thu May 23, 2013 2:37 pm

RED HERRING
"The name of this fallacy comes from the sport of fox hunting in which a dried, smoked herring, which is red in color, is dragged across the trail of the fox to throw the hounds off the scent. Thus, a "red herring" argument is one which distracts the audience from the issue in question through the introduction of some irrelevancy. This frequently occurs during debates when there is an at least implicit topic, yet it is easy to lose track of it. By extension, it applies to any argument in which the premisses are logically irrelevant to the conclusion."

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  pinhedz on Sun May 26, 2013 4:01 am

Graham's Disagreement Hierarchy--showing progressive deterioration from legitimate discussion to name calling:


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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  pinhedz on Sun May 26, 2013 4:04 am

I believe that Graham said at one point that name calling is the worst of the logical fallacies, but at least it's immediately recognizable as being beside the point.

The strawman/red-herring types of fallacies are more insidious, because they pose as legitimate rebuttals. Suspect

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  specialman on Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:04 pm

pinhedz wrote:I believe that Graham said at one point that name calling is the worst of the logical fallacies

That's a strawman fallacy! How's name calling a fallacy? It doesn't rest within the argument and so does not add or subtract anything from it, it just shows angered discomfort. Namecalling is free! you, head of pin!

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  Doc Watson on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:40 am

this whole thread is a fallacy

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  pinhedz on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:44 am

He's right of course.

But did he mean that in a bad way?geek

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Re: The fallacy thread

Post  Doc Watson on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:45 am

of course not

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